hi everybody. What do you think about the current state of the labor market? I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop at its current pace, many people will remain unemployed, including me, who is studying to become a programmer. as an employee, I have only one way out so far - to improve my skills, but perhaps over time this will not be enough, and the profession will almost die out.
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Re: market change due to AI
By: Dart to All on Tue Sep 02 2025 04:30 pm

hi everybody. What do you think about the current state of
the labor market? I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop
at its current pace, many people will remain unemployed, including
me, who is studying to become a programmer. as an employee,
I have only one way out so far - to improve my skills, but perhaps
over time this will not be enough, and the profession will almost
die out.

get a mfg job. there's plenty of jobs out there.
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Re: market change due to AI
By: MRO to Dart on Tue Sep 02 2025 07:15 pm

market? I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop at its current
pace, many people will remain unemployed, including me, who is studying to
become a programmer. as an employee, I have only one way out so far - to
improve my skills, but perhaps over time this will not be enough, and the
profession will almost die out.

get a mfg job. there's plenty of jobs out there.

I have to agree with that is a good way to go. Will always need care givers, cooks, trash people...

My thought on AI is it is interesting, but like all things in a unperfect world, is not perfect. Add to that, AI pulls from an inperfect pool, which they are adding to at a great rate. So the accuracy of that pool continues to get less accurate. Funny in a way.
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Dart wrote to All <=-

hi everybody. What do you think about the current state of the labor market?

It's good, from everything I can see.

I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop at its current
pace, many people will remain unemployed, including me, who is studying
to become a programmer.

So let me tell you the tale of CASE tools.

Back in the 1990's, someone came up with some software where you feed requirements in to one end, and out the other end comes code. Managers touted this as a "game changer" and whispered that it would get rid of those pesky programmers since they would all become business analysts.

What actually happened was this:
CASE tools could only do simple tasks. So there was a gap between what the CASE tools could do and what the customers wanted. Programmers were needed there.

"CASE tools would only improve," exclaimed the managers. Yes, but what the customer wanted also increased - and usually faster than the CASE tools improved.

And there was an undesirable side-effect: those simpler programs is what we would give to the jr. programmers to get experience. Experience that was needed to turn them into Sr. programmers later because older Sr. programmers retire at some point.

You're probably saying "But I've never heard of CASE tools" and now you should see my point here.

At my company, they are pushing AI because some manager read a article... er.. had an article read to him :) saying that he can get a 25% increase in productivity by programmers using CASE tools... er... AI.

But we are struggling with getting AI coding tools to have some use. 90% of the time what they do is simply wrong. So we spend time setting up the AI tools, time for the AI tools to do its thing, then more time re-doing all the "work" that the AI tool was supposed to do for us.

So the gap between what AI can do and what the customer needs is still there. And what AI can do is the work that is needed by jr. programmers to get the skills to become a Sr. programmer so the jr. programmer can take over when the Sr. programmer retires.


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Dart wrote to All <=-

hi everybody. What do you think about the current state of the labor market? I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop at its current pace, many people will remain unemployed, including me, who is studying
to become a programmer. as an employee, I have only one way out so far
- to improve my skills, but perhaps over time this will not be enough,
and the profession will almost die out.

I think that the market is changing and people who understand how to use
LLMs will be more effective than people who aren't AI-savvy.

I wonder how long until the AI bubble bursts - the only company making
money on AI is NVidia, because they're selling the GPUs. Combine with
AI driving utility needs and data center construction and you have an
ugly situation.





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Re: market change due to AI
By: Dart to All on Tue Sep 02 2025 04:30 pm

hi everybody. What do you think about the current state of the labor market? I have a feeling that if AI continues to develop at its current pace, many people will remain unemployed, including me, who is studying to become a programmer. as an employee, I have only one way out so far - to improve my skills, but perhaps over time this will not be enough, and the profession will almost die out.

I don't think the profession of software developer is going away any soon. Most AI generated code is kind of trashy, and I can't see it improving to production level anytime soon.

The real issue with these things is how costly are to operate. So, how costly it is to operate a datacenter for producing sub-productivity level code as compared to hiring a guy to code? That is the real question. I think at some point the datacenter will beat the coder. Today is not that day.


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