Re: Re: The Fourth Industrial Revolution
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Aug 03 2020 04:09 pm

Extreme case: in thedark universe of the future, humans become fat lazy useless asses that are capable of no useful work whatsoever, and all the

ALREADY THERE, DUDE
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Re: Re: The Fourth Industrial Revolution
By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Aug 03 2020 07:04 pm

Re: Re: The Fourth Industrial Revolution
By: Ogg to All on Mon Aug 03 2020 06:28 pm

But how will the rich corporations sustain their riches? Who is going
to

If you have tons of Artificial General Intelligence equipped robots you need no money to be rich anymore. Just put your robots to work. Let them manufacture your stuff for your own consumption. No need to buy anything from anybody since your robots will create it for you on your command.

you guys are going the wrong way with this.

we need helper monkeys
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Hello Vk3jed!

** On Tuesday 04.08.20 - 07:46, vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

On 08-03-20 18:28, Ogg wrote to All <=-

What exactly are the non-working people going to do? Is it supposed to

Depends on their imagination, I have little trouble filling my day, so
much so that when I'm not working (like now), people joke that I have
no time to work anyway! :)

Projects, interests, quality time at home, errands, catching up with
and doing favours for friends, and so on.

The discussion was what would humans do when they are all jobless and replaced by automation. At least total displacement is the theorical extreme. I don't think that would ever be the reality. Money ultimately drives progress and/or exploitation. Rich people need other people.

The writers for StarTrek or similar have explored the idea of societies
where automation surpasses human efficiency, and eventually androids/
machines "decide" that humans are a hinderance to further efficiency therefore must be destroyed.

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On 08-06-20 20:43, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

The discussion was what would humans do when they are all jobless and replaced by automation. At least total displacement is the theorical extreme. I don't think that would ever be the reality. Money
ultimately drives progress and/or exploitation. Rich people need other people.

I'm just pointing out not all people are defined or dependent (other than financially) upon their occupations.

The writers for StarTrek or similar have explored the idea of societies where automation surpasses human efficiency, and eventually androids/ machines "decide" that humans are a hinderance to further efficiency therefore must be destroyed.

Yes, that is a common theme in sci fi, as I said last time around.


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Re: Re: The Fourth Industrial Revolution
By: Ogg to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 06 2020 08:43 pm

The discussion was what would humans do when they are all jobless and replaced by automation. At least total displacement is the theorical extreme. I don't think that would ever be the reality. Money ultimately drives progress and/or exploitation. Rich people need other people.

The writers for StarTrek or similar have explored the idea of societies where automation surpasses human efficiency, and eventually androids/ machines "decide" that humans are a hinderance to further efficiency therefore must be destroyed.

"So we cannot know if we will be infinitely helped by AI, or ignored by it and side-lined, or conceivably destroyed by it. Unless we learn how to prepare for, and avoid the potential risks, AI could be the worst event in the history of our civilization." - Stephen Hawking

This reminds me of the weird cult in Deus Ex known as The Church of the Machine God. Its acolytes believed that it was imperative man merge with AI in order to avoid being destroyed by it.

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Hello Andeddu!

** On Saturday 08.08.20 - 18:31, andeddu wrote to Ogg:

...Money ultimately drives progress and/or exploitation. Rich people
need other people.

The writers for StarTrek or similar have explored the idea of
societies where automation surpasses human efficiency, and eventually
androids/machines "decide" that humans are a hinderance to further
efficiency therefore must be destroyed.

"So we cannot know if we will be infinitely helped by AI, or ignored by
it and side-lined, or conceivably destroyed by it. Unless we learn how
to prepare for, and avoid the potential risks, AI could be the worst
event in the history of our civilization." - Stephen Hawking

I am glad you posted that.

From a BBC article:

"Stanley Kubrick's film 2001 and its murderous computer HAL encapsulate
many people's fears of how AI could pose a threat to human life"

Even Elon Musk has reservations on AI. I haven't read much on Elon's concerns, but I will now.

My take on AI is that although it is referred to "machine learning" by engineers, it is still a bunch of if/then/else sequences done very fast to appear like the device is smart. The if/then/else stuff and any other considerations still have to be programmed by humans. Humans are not
perfect and cannot forsee all scenarios.

This reminds me of the weird cult in Deus Ex known as The Church of the Machine God. Its acolytes believed that it was imperative man merge
with AI in order to avoid being destroyed by it.

Never heard of that one. But maybe its proponents are behind the nano-
tech stuff that scientists want to inject into our bodies on the premise
that it will manage our health and repair our bodies.

But maybe we first all have to have the covid vaxx to make us vulnerable
so that that new nano-tech is justified to fix us. LOL

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Re: Re: The Fourth Industrial Revolution
By: Ogg to Andeddu on Sun Aug 09 2020 02:29 pm

I am glad you posted that.

From a BBC article:

"Stanley Kubrick's film 2001 and its murderous computer HAL encapsulate
many people's fears of how AI could pose a threat to human life"

Even Elon Musk has reservations on AI. I haven't read much on Elon's concerns, but I will now.

My take on AI is that although it is referred to "machine learning" by engineers, it is still a bunch of if/then/else sequences done very fast to appear like the device is smart. The if/then/else stuff and any other considerations still have to be programmed by humans. Humans are not perfect and cannot forsee all scenarios.

Elon Musk began with reservations on AI and spoke mostly about how it would destroy mankind, as we would be the mere intellectual equivalent of cattle compared to it. Now that he's had some time to ponder the question, he has decided that it would be best if we merged with AI, in a "if you can't beat them, join them" kind of solution.

He has since pumped huge funds into his Neuralink nano-tech company and is in the process of creating a brain-machine interface. He has already made progress in this field and is due this year to experiment on live humans by implanting thousands of electodes into their brains in a non-invasive surgical procedure. Sounds a little crazy, but this appears to be the beginning the trans-humanist experience.

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