Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the news server do not let me put accents or the ± caracter (I can't write Espa±a)

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
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Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm

Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the news server do not let me put accents or the ± caracter (I can't write Espa±a)

You should be able to view/enter every character of iso8859-15 in UTF-8. But if you do want to change the default charset (for the web-site), you definitely have options.

digital man

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Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 12:41, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm

Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is
in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the
news server do not let me put accents or the ± caracter (I can't write
Espa±a)

You should be able to view/enter every character of iso8859-15 in UTF-8.

I think I have expressed myself wrong.

When I write from synchronet through their web server or nntp, i can put the tildes and others. But here, in Spain, the iso8859-1 (Latin-1) or iso8859-15 character table that has the character of the euro is used. When I write from synchronet the other nodes in Spain do not see my accents correctly. So I would like to put the BBS, at least the web and the nntp server, in those character tables.

But if you do want to change the default charset (for the web-site), you definitely have options.

Could you tell me what the options are?

Thank you.

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 12:49 am

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 12:41, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm

Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is
in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the
news server do not let me put accents or the ± caracter (I can't write
Espa±a)

You should be able to view/enter every character of iso8859-15 in UTF-8.

I think I have expressed myself wrong.

When I write from synchronet through their web server or nntp, i can put the tildes and others.

If you configure your NNTP client to use UTF-8, all character should be representable.

But here, in Spain, the iso8859-1 (Latin-1) or
iso8859-15 character table that has the character of the euro is used.

UTF-8 includes the euro character as well: https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20ac/index.htm

When
I write from synchronet the other nodes in Spain do not see my accents correctly.

Double-check your NNTP client is configured to use UTF-8. Try posting here (in this message area) a Euro symbol using your NNTP message reader. Similarly, I'll try posting a euro symbol using NNTP or Web and see what I can achieve.

So I would like to put the BBS, at least the web and the nntp
server, in those character tables.

Ideally, you would use UTF-8.

But if you do want to change the default charset (for the web-site), you definitely have options.

Could you tell me what the options are?

Look at your web/* files if using the legacy/Runemaster web-UI or webv4/* if using echicken's web interface. Search for "charset", edit to suit your taste. Meanwhile, experiment and I will too.

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And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?
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Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol: ¨

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Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol: Γé¼

And from Chrome on Windows using the legacy/Runemaster webv4, Euro: Γé¼

digital man

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Digital Man to Digital Man on Sun Jun 07 2020 17:13:26

Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol: ¿

the first one showed an normal question mark... deuce's fseditor still cannot quote UTF-8 properly so it quotes the above upside down question mark but reading the message on sbbs from this ssh konsole terminal did show the euro glyph properly...


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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Digital Man to Digital Man on Sun Jun 07 2020 17:16:07

And from Chrome on Windows using the legacy/Runemaster webv4, Euro: ¨

nope... interesting that the y, e with accent, and 1/4th symbol (3 byte UTF-8?) are shown on sbbs and quoted by fseditor... you should see them above...


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Here's another attempt using NNTP (auto-UTF-8 detection): ?
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Here's another attempt: ?
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Another attempt via NNTP: ?
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Here's another NNTP attempt: ?
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El 7/6/20 a las 19:49, Angel Ripoll escribi¢:

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 12:41, Digital Man escribi¨ a Angel Ripoll:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm

Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is
in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the
news server do not let me put accents or the ¨ caracter (I can't write
Espa¨a)

You should be able to view/enter every character of iso8859-15 in UTF-8.

I think I have expressed myself wrong.

When I write from synchronet through their web server or nntp, i can put the tildes and others. But here, in Spain, the iso8859-1 (Latin-1) or iso8859-15 character table that has the character of the euro is used. When I write from synchronet the other nodes in Spain do not see my accents correctly. So I would like to put the BBS, at least the web and the nntp server, in those character tables.

But if you do want to change the default charset (for the web-site), you definitely have options.

Could you tell me what the options are?

Hi Angel !

I use thunderbird to read via nntp, and i have that issue because the
nntp server send the headers:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

Thunderbird does not support this encoding, then i see the '?'
characters in the mail read pane.

Also, i set the sbbs.ini MAil->DefaultCharset=IMB850 without results

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Ragnarok to Angel Ripoll on Sun Jun 07 2020 11:34 pm

El 7/6/20 a las 19:49, Angel Ripoll escribió:

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 12:41, Digital Man escribi¿ a Angel Ripoll:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm

Hola All!

Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it is
in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and the
news server do not let me put accents or the ¿ caracter (I can't write
Espa¿a)

You should be able to view/enter every character of iso8859-15 in UTF-8.

I think I have expressed myself wrong.

When I write from synchronet through their web server or nntp, i can put the tildes and others. But here, in Spain, the iso8859-1 (Latin-1) or iso8859-15 character table that has the character of the euro is used. When I write from synchronet the other nodes in Spain do not see my accents correctly. So I would like to put the BBS, at least the web and the nntp server, in those character tables.

But if you do want to change the default charset (for the web-site), you definitely have options.

Could you tell me what the options are?

Hi Angel !

I use thunderbird to read via nntp, and i have that issue because the
nntp server send the headers:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

If the message was posted with UTF-8, then that charset should be UTF8 (not IBM437).

Thunderbird does not support this encoding, then i see the '?'
characters in the mail read pane.

Does it support UTF-8?

Also, i set the sbbs.ini MAil->DefaultCharset=IMB850 without results

That option has no effect on NNTP-imported or posted messages.

digital man

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Sun Jun 07 2020 20:59:37


Rampage> nope... interesting that the y, e with accent, and 1/4th symbol
Rampage> (3 byte UTF-8?) are shown on sbbs and quoted by fseditor... you
Rampage> should see them above...

but it is interesting that reading my quote of your text now shows all three characters as the euro glyph... weird, man... really weird :)


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El 8/6/20 a las 2:01, Digital Man escribi├│:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?
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From news using thunderbird. I see it as a question mark

Regards.

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El 8/6/20 a las 1:41, Digital Man escribi├│:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 12:49 am

> Hola Digital!
>
> 07 Jun 20 12:41, Digital Man escribi� a Angel Ripoll:
>
> DM> Re: Table of character
> DM> By: Angel Ripoll to All on Sun Jun 07 2020 01:28 pm
>
> >> Hola All!
> >>
> >> Can I change the default character table? I see that by default it
> is
> >> in UTF-8 and I want to change it to iso8859-15 if possible. The web and
> the
> >> news server do not let me put accents or the � caracter (I can't write
> >> Espa�a)

From news with thunderbird. All accents look bad. This is what I mean.

Regards.

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Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 17:01, Digital Man escribió a Digital Man:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?

From my golded i see it as a question mark.

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 17:13, Digital Man escribió a Digital Man:

Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol: Γé¼

from news i see the euro symbol, but in my golded i see garbage

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 16:41, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

Could you tell me what the options are?

Look at your web/* files if using the legacy/Runemaster web-UI or webv4/* if using echicken's web interface. Search for "charset", edit to suit your taste. Meanwhile, experiment and I will too.

I have a clean install of synchronet 3.18a. the web server and the files there are those that come with this installation.

Synchronet BBS for Linux Version 3.18a
Revision to May 21 2020 19:09 SMBLIB 2.61 GCC 8.3.0

I have change the files telnet.inc, msgs/textmsg.inc and header.inc from templates/default. Where in the file put UTF-8 I have put iso8859-1, but it does not work.

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Hola Angel!

08 Jun 20 20:40, Angel Ripoll escribió a Digital Man:

I have change the files telnet.inc, msgs/textmsg.inc and header.inc from templates/default. Where in the file put UTF-8 I have put iso8859-1, but it does not work.

Rectification. It works now on the web :)

In the file header.inc was missing to put the correct charset. I have put iso8859.-15 and now all the tildes, the euro, the ± and the umlaut work :).

Now the news :)

Thank you very much :)

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:06 pm

El 8/6/20 a las 2:01, Digital Man escribi¢:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?
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From news using thunderbird. I see it as a question mark

I could never get Microsoft Mail to send a real Euro symbol. Failure on the client side in that case.

digital man

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Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:09 pm

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 17:13, Digital Man escribió a Digital Man:

Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol: Γé¼

from news i see the euro symbol, but in my golded i see garbage

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

digital man

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Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:40 pm

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 16:41, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

Could you tell me what the options are?

Look at your web/* files if using the legacy/Runemaster web-UI or webv4/* if using echicken's web interface. Search for "charset", edit to suit your taste. Meanwhile, experiment and I will too.

I have a clean install of synchronet 3.18a. the web server and the files there are those that come with this installation.

Synchronet BBS for Linux Version 3.18a
Revision to May 21 2020 19:09 SMBLIB 2.61 GCC 8.3.0

I have change the files telnet.inc, msgs/textmsg.inc and header.inc from templates/default. Where in the file put UTF-8 I have put iso8859-1, but it does not work.

True, the legacy/Runemaster Web UI doesn't support UTF-8. This one does however: https://github.com/echicken/synchronet-web-v4

digital man

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El 8/6/20 a las 00:22, Digital Man escribi¢:

If the message was posted with UTF-8, then that charset should be UTF8 (not IBM437).

Thunderbird does not support this encoding, then i see the '?'
characters in the mail read pane.

Does it support UTF-8?

yes. i mean that 437 is not supported

Also, i set the sbbs.ini MAil->DefaultCharset=IMB850 without results

That option has no effect on NNTP-imported or posted messages.

okaa

you can see this screenshots from: terminal (via syncterm), thunderbird
and web (v4) here:

http://test.bbs.docksud.com.ar/tmp/encoding/

I use test  ‚¡¢£ (aeiou with accents)

Saludos!

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El 8/6/20 a las 23:57, Ragnarok escribi¢:

El 8/6/20 a las 00:22, Digital Man escribi¢:

I use test  ‚¡¢£ (aeiou with accents)

Saludos!

Note: this post that i wrote from thunderbird i can see perfect at
telnet and webv4

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Re: Table of character
By: Digital Man to Angel Ripoll on Mon Jun 08 2020 07:56 pm

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:09 pm

from news i see the euro symbol, but in my golded i see garbage

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

No it doesn't. It does support external editors so if you use one that supports UTF-8 you can hit reply to view UTF-8 in that editor. But golded by itself doesn't support UTF-8.


Ttyl :-),
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Re: Table of character
By: Digital Man to Angel Ripoll on Mon Jun 08 2020 19:56:20

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

it does and it doesn't... it uses chr tables to convert between character sets so it also relies on the underlying OS character set and font that is loaded... for UTF-8, it is a one way conversion from some character set to UTF-8 but no way to go from UTF-8 to some character set... the chr tables are rooted in DOS and the 256 byte stuff so there is the possibility of loss... and if the font that is loaded doesn't have the proper glyph in the proper slot, yeah...


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Hola Digital!

08 Jun 20 19:56, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

Re: Table of character
By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:09 pm

Hola Digital!

07 Jun 20 17:13, Digital Man escribió a Digital Man:

Here I am posting via Chrome on Windows uses ec's webv4. Euro Symbol:
Γé¼

from news i see the euro symbol, but in my golded i see garbage

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

I think not. At least I have never been able to get it working. They say that using external programs and that their support is limited.

But I want to use the character code we use here, in Spain.

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll(at)zruspas.org

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Ragnarok to Digital Man on Mon Jun 08 2020 11:57 pm

El 8/6/20 a las 00:22, Digital Man escribió:

If the message was posted with UTF-8, then that charset should be UTF8 (not IBM437).

Thunderbird does not support this encoding, then i see the '?' characters in the mail read pane.

Does it support UTF-8?

yes. i mean that 437 is not supported

Cool. Then use UTF-8. It's the way of the future (and the present).

Also, i set the sbbs.ini MAil->DefaultCharset=IMB850 without results

That option has no effect on NNTP-imported or posted messages.

okaa

you can see this screenshots from: terminal (via syncterm), thunderbird
and web (v4) here:

http://test.bbs.docksud.com.ar/tmp/encoding/

I use test áéíóú (aeiou with accents)

Saludos!

SyncTERM doesn't yet support UTF-8, but sbbs will convert to CP437 if it can (and in those example letters, there were CP437 equivalents it could translate to).

Also looks like maybe you need to update your webv4 files from github. Those characters render fine at http://web.synchro.net using the latest ec webv4.

digital man

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On 6/7/2020 5:01 PM, Digital Man wrote:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

Can't speak for on Vert... but I'm reading on NNTP, the bbs connects
through VERT over QWK, and the character set is either changed, or
otherwise not preserved...

Is there a need for a kludge or addition/change to the NNTP server to
preserve UTF8?

For reference, in Thunderbird this message is set to Text Encoding of "Unicode" ... guessing that's UTF-8

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On 6/14/2020 8:06 PM, Tracker1 wrote:

On 6/7/2020 5:01 PM, Digital Man wrote:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012)
configured
for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

Can't speak for on Vert... but I'm reading on NNTP, the bbs connects
through VERT over QWK, and the character set is either changed, or
otherwise not preserved...

Is there a need for a kludge or addition/change to the NNTP server to preserve UTF8?

For reference, in Thunderbird this message is set to Text Encoding of "Unicode" ... guessing that's UTF-8

Wild, okay in looking at the source for my own posted message on my
board, seeing the following.

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-GB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Kind of surprised to see the 7bit tranfer encoding.

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On 6/14/2020 8:06 PM, Tracker1 wrote:

Is there a need for a kludge or addition/change to the NNTP server to preserve UTF8?

For reference, in Thunderbird this message is set to Text Encoding of "Unicode" ... guessing that's UTF-8

NNTP (roughneck) -> QWK (vert) -> HUB (hub.bbs.io)

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-GB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Looks like at least the settings are preserved from NNTP over QWK and
back over NNTP... would still want/need to check other clients and configurations though.

Still not sure about the 7bit encoding, maybe because I didn't use any
high characters... still, utf8 should inherently be 8-bit encoding.

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On 6/9/2020 1:22 AM, Al wrote:

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

No it doesn't. It does support external editors so if you use one that supports UTF-8 you can hit reply to view UTF-8 in that editor. But golded by itself doesn't support UTF-8.

Sounds like a problem with GoldEd... even if you're using an external
editor, if the formatting of the file isn't preserved on save, it could
still be borked... if you use VSCode, you can on the fly change the
encoding, but this will still get destroyed when you upload a reply,
since that encoding likely won't be preserved and will revert to CP437
or whatever the default encoding is.

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Tracker1 wrote to Al:

On 6/9/2020 1:22 AM, Al wrote:

GoldEd doesn't support UTF-8 (?).

No it doesn't. It does support external editors so if you use one that

supports UTF-8 you can hit reply to view UTF-8 in that editor. But golded by itself doesn't support UTF-8.

Sounds like a problem with GoldEd...

Yes it is. Golded never had support for UTF-8. It does autodetect that my terminal is UTF-8 capable and inserts a CHRS kludge of "UTF-8 2", that
should say "UTF-8 4" but golded doesn't support it anyway so that has never been fixed.

I'll have to look at the kludge this editor adds although I'm using joe ATM.

even if you're using an external editor, if the formatting of the file
isn't preserved on save, it could still be borked... if you use VSCode,
you can on the fly change the encoding, but this will still get destroyed when you upload a reply, since that encoding likely won't be preserved
and will revert to CP437 or whatever the default encoding is.

Yep, that's still a problem. CP437 is great if you are in North America. I can't even see CP437 with golded. Box drawing characters don't look right.
I've tried to train it to convert between encodings but no luck so far.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Al to Tracker1 on Tue Jun 16 2020 11:02:32

Yep, that's still a problem. CP437 is great if you are in North
America. I can't even see CP437 with golded. Box drawing
characters don't look right.

that's due to your linux... it is UTF-8 and the font you're using doesn't map the CP437 characters into the proper slots...

one way around this is to run golded via the cp437 tool... you can get it from https://github.com/keaston/cp437 and build it for your system...

that'll make the box and frame characters work but UTF-8 characters won't render...

take a look at that link... the readme offers more info...


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Re: Re: Table of character
By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Sun Jun 14 2020 08:06 pm

On 6/7/2020 5:01 PM, Digital Man wrote:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012) configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

Microsoft Mail doesn't really do UTF-8 via NNTP, that I could find.

Is there a need for a kludge or addition/change to the NNTP server to preserve UTF8?

It should already.

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On 6/20/2020 1:04 PM, Digital Man wrote:

And here's me replying with an NNTP Reader (Microsoft Mail 2012)
configured for UTF-8 encoding, Euro symbol: ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437

Microsoft Mail doesn't really do UTF-8 via NNTP, that I could find.

I'm using Thunderbird.

Is there a need for a kludge or addition/change to the NNTP server to
preserve UTF8?

It should already.

Adjusted my QNet accound on vert to preserve/use utf8 with qwke, not
sure if I needed to match that change locally or not.

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