Trump indicates that the war against Iran was won in the first hour.

The world thinks differently.

In Oman, an oil refinery/storage facility is on fire because an Iranian Shaheed struck it. An oil tanker is on fire in Iraq because an Iranian drone struck the ship. Iran has laid mines in the Strait of Hormuz. All of this doesn't sound like a war won by the US.

The Strait of Hormuz is closed.

In the US, people are now afraid that Iran will carry out terrorist attacks in the US.

In short, the US has started a war that it doesn't seem to be winning yet. The Iranian regime is not yet in danger. There is no popular uprising.

What was the goal of this war again?

Oh yes, there was no goal.

Now then, good luck with everything, because what are you going to achieve now?

Meanwhile, Brent oil is almost at $100 again.

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Trump has indicated that Iran has been defeated, but is now asking five countries for help to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. All five countries have indicated that they will not provide that help. This is a problem that the US caused and that the US must now solve.

Trump has indicated in response that NATO must help. I can only hope that NATO is smarter than that. The rest of NATO must be frugal with its weapons, because the US wants to conquer Greenland and threatens Canada's very existence. NATO must therefore absolutely NOT intervene in the Middle East. This attack was launched by the US. It is their problem to solve now. Trump threatens that NATO countries will face dark times if they do not come to help. I thought he had already won the war?

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Hello Joseph!

20 Jun 70 00:25, you wrote to all:

Trump has indicated that Iran has been defeated, but is now asking
five countries for help to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. All five countries have indicated that they will not provide that help. This is
a problem that the US caused and that the US must now solve.

A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were "obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was "set back years"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-facilities-have-been-obliterated-and-suggestions-otherwise-are-fake-news/


But 3 weeks ago we urgently needed to go to war with them to .... stop them from getting nuclear weapons? did they maybe mean that their nuclear program was set back "days" ?

Trump has indicated in response that NATO must help. I can only hope
that NATO is smarter than that. The rest of NATO must be frugal with
its weapons, because the US wants to conquer Greenland and threatens Canada's very existence. NATO must therefore absolutely NOT intervene
in the Middle East. This attack was launched by the US. It is their problem to solve now. Trump threatens that NATO countries will face
dark times if they do not come to help. I thought he had already won
the war?

.

NATO has no obligation. we attacked Iran. I'm pretty sure the agreement is pretty specific that NATO only needs to help if a NATO member is attacked, not the other way around.




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Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Mike Miller to Joseph Pereira on Mon Mar 16 2026 12:41 pm

Yeah personally, I'm of the opinion we
deserve everything that comes from this
brainless conflict. It further blows my
mind that they really thought Iran
wouldn't use the one piece of leverage
they have, the strait. How goddamn
stupid are these idiots? Between Trump
and Netanyahu, these idiots are
single-handedly validating every
grievance the Iranian regime has ever
voiced.

They are literally giving Iranian
Theocracy credibility.

At this point I hope the gas hits over
$6 a gallon down here in FL, maybe some
people will finally learn this lesson.








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Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Mike Miller to Joseph Pereira on Mon Mar 16 2026 12:41 pm

Forgive my last message. I'm on a
C64 and it appears it doesn't play
nice when editing. I was just
agreeing with you that the level of
incompetence, stupidity, and lack
of imagination is un fuckin real.

We deserve the consequences of
this action.



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countries have indicated that they will not provide that help. This i a problem that the US caused and that the US must now solve.

A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were
"obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was "set back years"

It's been a year and he underestimated the rebuild time.

Surely Kamala would have done a better job. Let's vote for Kamala in 2028. She knows exactly how long it takes terrorists to rebuild nuclear weapons, unlike incompetent Trump.

lol

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Hello Aaron!

20 Jun 70 15:08, you wrote to me:

countries have indicated that they will not provide that

help. This i

a problem that the US caused and that the US must now solve.

A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were
"obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was "set back
years"

It's been a year and he underestimated the rebuild time.

Or he lied. Most independent organizations/governments agreed that it hadn't done much to hamper Iran's nuclear ambitions.

So, was he lying then? or was he lying now?

Or, and my money is on this one: Was he lying both times?

Surely Kamala would have done a better job. Let's vote for Kamala in
2028. She knows exactly how long it takes terrorists to rebuild
nuclear weapons, unlike incompetent Trump.

If I believe she's the best candidate in 2028, I will vote for her. That said, there are others that I would prefer to win the nomination over her.

HOWEVER, she is not president. nor is Joe Biden. This discussion is about the actions and words of the current president.

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Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Mike Miller to Aaron Thomas on Tue Mar 17 2026 12:55 pm

Well we don't have to look far to see
he's lying. See the recent MAGA
resignation, dude says as much.

MAGA continues taking Ls that hurt
everybody for no reason while
refusing to acknowledge them.
Lessons will be learned eventually.


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A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were
"obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was "set back
years"

It's been a year and he underestimated the rebuild time.

Or he lied. Most independent organizations/governments agreed that it hadn't done much to hamper Iran's nuclear ambitions.

If someone gives an estimate of "years" and it turns out to be "a year" I don't consider that lying.

Biden said that he'd cure cancer if he became president. Was that Democrat lying? Obama said that he'd make healthcare affordable for all Americans. Was that Democrat lying?

You've got to give Trump some time. If it turns out that there was no such enrichment facility in Iran, then you get the right to call him a liar.

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Hello Aaron!

22 Jun 70 04:25, you wrote to me:

A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were
"obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was

"set back

years"

It's been a year and he underestimated the rebuild time.

Or he lied. Most independent organizations/governments agreed
that it hadn't done much to hamper Iran's nuclear ambitions.

If someone gives an estimate of "years" and it turns out to be "a
year" I don't consider that lying.

Except it wasn't a year. it was "months" less than 9 months, to be precise.

Biden said that he'd cure cancer if he became president. Was that
Democrat lying? Obama said that he'd make healthcare affordable for
all Americans. Was that Democrat lying?

Trump has also said he'd "cure cancer". Lying? no. Overambitious? yes. neither claimed to have done such a thing.


And Obama said he'd make healthcare *more* affordable for all Americans. I'd go so far as to say he did so.

(The "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" statement though. ick. While he was a bit more optimistic about that when he intially said it, it turned out that was absollutely not true. Even he has admitted he dropped the ball on that one)

You've got to give Trump some time. If it turns out that there was no
such enrichment facility in Iran, then you get the right to call him a liar.

No, Trump said he "obliterated" Iran's ability to enrich nuclear material. he said their ability was "set back years"

Then, 9 months later he said the attacks were necessary to destroy nuclear sites that were working on enriching nuclear fuel. You know, the sites that were "obliterated" less than a year before.

He either lied last year, or he lied this year.

Or, as I said, it's far more likely he lied both times.


Even his own administration can't get their messaging straight when talking about the reasons for attacking Iran.

Gas prices have risen $0.25-$0.30 per gallon for regular each week for the last month. That means gas prices are over $1 more today than they were 4 weeks ago.

I drove up to Hayward a little over a month ago. It cost me around $55 to fill my tank up from empty to full. Today it would cost me $80. It's rising faster than it did in early 2022, where it peaked at over $5 a gallon.

And it's all because Donnie, the "president of peace", Mr "end the forever wars" got goaded into starting a new nation-building forever-war in Iran becasue he's easily manipulated. Tell him he has to do something to "appear tough" and he'll do it.




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On Thu 19-Mar-2026 5:24a, Max Stubbs@1:103/705.0 said to Aaron Thomas:

Re: Re: Has Iran been defeate
By: Aaron Thomas to Max Stubbs on Wed Mar 18 2026 02:35 pm

sh!t out of Iran" back in 2015. Food
prices are down. Illegal immigrants

Oh are they down? You might want to
double check that, Fox Business
seems to disagree on that. Y'all
gonna learn the hard way, as ever.
Just like the last time.

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LOL. Must not pay too much attention to the prices at the supermarket.

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On Fri 20-Mar-2026 7:22a, Ron L.@1:120/616.0 said to Aaron Thomas:

"Max" (I doubt that's his real name - he's probably one of the other Lefties we
haven't seen in a while under a new name) has obviously been programmed with
the same stuff that the other Leftoids have been.

Ahh yes. There you two go again... If we don't agree with your narrow world view as told by the Trump administration and MAGA, we are "Lefties", and must be running around with our sock puppets.

Don't know what inflation, illegals, and Biden have to do with 'Has Iran been defeated.", but one thing is for sure, your Dear Leader certainly let Isreal push him into the deep end. Kind of like how the previous administrations anti communist paranoiaa nd the military industrial complex pressured Johnson into Viet Nam..

Those who don't understand history are bound to repeat it.

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On Fri 20-Mar-2026 1:06p, Aaron Thomas@1:342/201.0 said to Kurt Weiske:

It's safe to eat eggs from chickens that have the flu. It's also safe to eat

While it may be "SAFE" to eat the eggs of chicken infected with avian flu, that does not negate the reason infected roosts are culled.

The primary reason is to prevent the mutation of the virus into a form that readily infects humans (Rememeber that poor bat in the wet market of Wuhan.)?

It also prevents the spread of the virus into non infected avian populations, thus doing naturally what culling didn't IE killing the chickens..

I know that is hard for your MAGA RFK addled brain to handle, but there it is...

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Hello Aaron!

30 Jun 70 07:48, you wrote to me:

Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Mike Miller to Aaron Thomas on Sun Mar 22 2026 11:06 am

Except it wasn't a year. it was "months" less than 9 months, to
be precise.

Think of it like this: When police estimate the street value of drugs, they are always way off, even though they have undercover officers who make drug buys. Part of the reason for that is they have no clue about wholesale pricing or what kind of deal the suspect got on it.

So how is Trump supposed to know how long it will take Iran to rebuild their nuclear weapons? He estimated. Only Rainman would say "This sets them back 973.2 days, 4 hours, and 7 minutes."

Good, I'm glad we agree that he lied when he said it was "obliterated" and their nuclear program was set back "years".

Trump has also said he'd "cure cancer". Lying? no.
Overambitious? yes.

I'm a huge Trump fan and I never heard him say that he's going to
"cure cancer." You are also the first socialist to ever say anything
about it. Where's the video?

During his campagin launch "rally" in 2020 he said it.

also, there's this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/unlocking-cures-for-pediatric-cancer-with-artificial-intelligence/

Gas prices have risen $0.25-$0.30 per gallon for regular each week
for the last month. That means gas prices are over $1 more today
than they were 4 weeks ago.

The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters are sorry that you're paying so much
for your gas.

Careful Aaron, someone might confuse you for a bleeding-heart liberal if you keep talking that way.

The NYT reports that 2000 people have been killed since the US and Israel started bombing them. I guess more dead iranians is better?

oh and at least 10% of that figure is children.



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Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Aaron Thomas to Mike Miller on Mon Mar 23 2026 12:08 am

The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters ar
sorry that you're paying so much for
your gas.

Those protesters are also sorry that
your president replaced 1 dictator with
the worse version of the same dictator,
when he wasn't even the favored option
prior to killing his daddy. Real
successful operation by the
"liberator," everybody clap.


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Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Brent Hendricks to Ron L. on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:36 am

Ahh yes. There you two go again...
If we don't agree with your narrow
world view as told by the Trump
administration and MAGA, we are
"Lefties", and must be running aroun
with our sock puppets.

To be fair, I AM a lefty :) Got me a
DSA card and all. Though my attention
is not on helping the DSA at the
moment; I've been doing small things
to help out various veteran-run
activist groups to push back against
this admin. I was actually in DC
where I met up with FLARE and we
lobbied Congress at their offices.
My group mostly just caught staffers,
but in general we were visiting both
parties and lobbying for impeachement.

Then Trump bombed Iran that exact
evening.




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During his campagin launch "rally" in 2020 he said it.

also, there's this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/unlocking-cures-fo atric-cancer-with-artificial-intelligence/

He still has time to do it.

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The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters ar
sorry that you're paying so much for
your gas.

Those protesters are also sorry that
your president replaced 1 dictator with
the worse version of the same dictator,
when he wasn't even the favored option
prior to killing his daddy. Real
successful operation by the
"liberator," everybody clap.

You're ignoring Iranians on video cheering the death of Khamenei, and you're putting words in the mouths of 7000+ dead people. There's a word for that but I won't say it because you seem like a pretty good guy.

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On Mon 23-Mar-2026 10:07a, Max Stubbs@1:103/705.0 said to Brent Hendricks:

Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
By: Brent Hendricks to Ron L. on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:36 am

Ahh yes. There you two go again...
If we don't agree with your narrow
world view as told by the Trump
administration and MAGA, we are
"Lefties", and must be running aroun
with our sock puppets.

To be fair, I AM a lefty :) Got me a
DSA card and all.

Not the point I was trying to make, there are several people in this group that no matter what evidence or sources your bring to the table that calls into question the rhetoric they spew, they come back with the same lines everytime.

I could care less what side of the political pendulum you have planted yourself on, if I have information that calls that into question, I will fairely debate you on it.

Arlo Guthrie said it best. " You can find that you have more in common with people on the opposite side of an issue than you think."

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