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    From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Tue Jan 4 11:49:08 2022
    Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.

    Thank you

    :-(

    FW
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to F. W. on Tue Jan 4 11:52:19 2022
    On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
    Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.

    Thank you

    :-(

    FW

    https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/

    chromium is as good as it gets



    --
    There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
    that sound good.

    Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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  • From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Tue Jan 4 14:31:06 2022
    Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
    On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
    Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
    here.

    Thank you

    :-(

    FW

    https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/

    chromium is as good as it gets




    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.

    FW
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  • From Jim Jackson@3:770/3 to F. W. on Tue Jan 4 17:22:08 2022
    On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
    Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
    On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
    Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
    here.

    Thank you

    :-(

    FW

    https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/

    chromium is as good as it gets




    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.


    What "login"?

    How do you know it is a problem with chromium?

    You have given very little information about your problem.
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  • From Theo@3:770/3 to Jim Jackson on Wed Jan 5 00:03:46 2022
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
    On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.


    What "login"?

    I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for syncing bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging into the Gmail, Google Apps, etc websites.

    How do you know it is a problem with chromium?

    https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does-not-work-any-more-solutions
    says Google deliberately broke it in March.

    The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API keys you
    can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config file. It may
    or may not work!

    Theo
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  • From Anssi Saari@3:770/3 to F. W. on Wed Jan 5 10:20:43 2022
    "F. W." <me@home.com> writes:

    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.

    Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
    year. Here's a possible workaround:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-google-account

    I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more
    obviously.

    As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
    x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
    Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product,
    "Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
    x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
    was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
    Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
    very low resolutions.
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  • From randon@3:770/3 to Anssi Saari on Thu Jan 6 02:55:28 2022
    On 2022-01-05 3:20 a.m., Anssi Saari wrote:
    "F. W." <me@home.com> writes:

    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.

    Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
    year. Here's a possible workaround:

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-google-account

    I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more obviously.

    As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
    x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
    Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product, "Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
    x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
    was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
    Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
    very low resolutions.


    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    -Nigel

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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to randon on Thu Jan 6 08:49:31 2022
    randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
    x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.
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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to randon on Thu Jan 6 09:25:48 2022
    On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 02:55:28 -0500
    randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:

    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    Which Pi Which x86 ? Any Pi will easily outperform a 16MHz 80386
    under emulation at the other extreme I'd expect at least two orders of magnitude between the best Pi4 emulation and the fastest current x86 based, multi-core, server targeted room heater.

    If it matters measure it for real, there will be far too many
    factors for meaningful predictions.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Thu Jan 6 09:55:56 2022
    A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
    randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
    x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.

    +you, +to. Moar coffee.
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  • From David Taylor@3:770/3 to randon on Thu Jan 6 10:33:35 2022
    On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    -Nigel

    I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software). I've not made any formal performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC. PlanePlotter is a relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10 program would be considerably more.

    Try it and see - you just need a spare SD card!

    https://twisteros.com/download.html

    --
    Cheers,
    David
    Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to news@druck.org.uk on Thu Jan 6 14:58:13 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:38:28 +0000) it happened druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote in <sr6ut4$bdv$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
    On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86

    on the pi?

    -Nigel

    I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running
    PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software).=C2=A0 I've not made any formal
    performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
    slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC.=C2=A0 PlanePlotter is a
    relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
    Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
    program would be considerably more.

    An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
    its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
    Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
    connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.

    Oh planes? Wrote my own, running as server on an old Pi 1
    http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_5_planes.gif
    rtl-sdr stick, 15 cm indoor antenna
    Just uses dump1090 and plot its output on the local map.
    Does ships too if antenna connected
    http://panteltje.com/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
    also calculates firing parameters...
    Very old version here:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
    can do a lot more..
    air pressure, storm warnings, temperature, humidity, GPS, CO.
    output logged 24/7 on an other Pi 4.

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to David Taylor on Thu Jan 6 14:38:28 2022
    On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
    On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
    What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
    on the pi?

    -Nigel

    I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software).  I've not made any formal
    performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
    slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC.  PlanePlotter is a
    relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
    Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
    program would be considerably more.

    An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
    its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
    Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
    connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.

    ---druck

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  • From David Taylor@3:770/3 to druck on Thu Jan 6 15:50:59 2022
    On 06/01/2022 14:38, druck wrote:
    An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
    its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
    Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
    connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.

    ---druck

    Thanks, I'm aware of that program, but PlanePlotter and its central server is my preferred arrangement. I'm using PlanePlotter on a Windows PC with The Beast receiver, although I've also tested with other hardware including Airspy and RTL dongle with dump1090. Your input to PlanePlotter would be most welcome. I also feed the usual commercial servers.

    In my reply I was just reporting on how well an x86/Windows software runs under ARM/RPi/Linux.

    --
    Cheers,
    David
    Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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  • From Marco Moock@3:770/3 to All on Sat Jan 8 13:07:22 2022
    Am Dienstag, 04. Januar 2022, um 11:49:08 Uhr schrieb F. W.:

    Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
    here.

    Here https://www.google.com/chrome/ Google only provides amd64 builds,
    so there is no direct way from Google to get ARM packages for Raspberry
    Pi.
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  • From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Mon Jan 10 16:07:01 2022
    Am 05.01.2022 um 01:03 schrieb Theo:
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
    On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
    I can not sync for my login seems not to work.


    What "login"?

    I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for
    syncing bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging
    into the Gmail, Google Apps, etc websites.

    How do you know it is a problem with chromium?

    https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does-not-work-any-more-solutions


    says Google deliberately broke it in March.

    The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API
    keys you can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config
    file. It may or may not work!

    Theo

    Theo is right.

    So I switched on all my machines to Firefox.

    FW
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