• Latest Raspi 4 32 bit, how do I give root permission to run GUI applica

    From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to All on Sun Jun 19 10:49:00 2022
    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Jun 19 08:40:00 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    Don't do that.



    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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  • From Anssi Saari@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Jun 19 17:49:22 2022
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> writes:

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    It hasn't come up for me on a Pi but on my Linux desktop I usually use
    sudo. Usually to run GParted.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Sun Jun 19 16:13:26 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:40:00 +1200) it happened nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10700.fidonet.org (Dan Clough) wrote in <655657631@f1.n770.z10700.fidonet.org>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    Don't do that.

    Wel, been root since 1998, also on older vrions for pi

    But figured things out
    I boot by default without X to a command line
    Tried some things before that in the original version with xhost+
    and now I can simply as root from the command line type
    startx
    I did write my own .xinitrc for root
    chromium now only wants to run with --no-sandbox.
    A lot of shit stuff now also is gone, like auto-mount :-)
    Needs some more attention, but now my X has 9 desktops,
    runs fvwm, xfm, 8 terminals, same as on all my other systems
    zsh as shell..
    Much much better than what the distro gives you.

    Still work in progress

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  • From Tauno Voipio@3:770/3 to Anssi Saari on Sun Jun 19 20:08:58 2022
    On 19.6.22 17.49, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> writes:

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    It hasn't come up for me on a Pi but on my Linux desktop I usually use
    sudo. Usually to run GParted.

    GParted will ask for root credentials if started from non-root account,
    no need to sudo before.

    --

    -TV

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Sun Jun 19 17:35:10 2022
    On 18/06/2022 21:40, Dan Clough wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-

    JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    JP> Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    Don't do that.


    Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.


    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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    --
    Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
    name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
    or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
    logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
    the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
    face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

    Ayn Rand.

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  • From Deloptes@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Jun 19 20:56:48 2022
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:


    Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.

    xhost +local:0

    su or sudo app

    when done

    xhost -local:0

    check the man page for the syntax

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Jun 19 20:50:00 2022
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-

    JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    JP> Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    Don't do that.

    Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.

    I wasn't the one asking the question.

    Are you as big an idiot as he is?



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Jun 19 20:51:00 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.
    Don't do that.

    Wel, been root since 1998, also on older vrions for pi

    But figured things out
    I boot by default without X to a command line
    Tried some things before that in the original version with xhost+
    and now I can simply as root from the command line type
    startx
    I did write my own .xinitrc for root
    chromium now only wants to run with --no-sandbox.
    A lot of shit stuff now also is gone, like auto-mount :-)
    Needs some more attention, but now my X has 9 desktops,
    runs fvwm, xfm, 8 terminals, same as on all my other systems
    zsh as shell..
    Much much better than what the distro gives you.

    You're an idiot.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 06:41:09 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Jun 2022 20:51:00 +1200) it happened nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10708.fidonet.org (Dan Clough) wrote in <655701194@f1.n770.z10708.fidonet.org>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.
    Don't do that.

    Wel, been root since 1998, also on older vrions for pi

    But figured things out
    I boot by default without X to a command line
    Tried some things before that in the original version with xhost+
    and now I can simply as root from the command line type
    startx
    I did write my own .xinitrc for root
    chromium now only wants to run with --no-sandbox.
    A lot of shit stuff now also is gone, like auto-mount :-)
    Needs some more attention, but now my X has 9 desktops,
    runs fvwm, xfm, 8 terminals, same as on all my other systems
    zsh as shell..
    Much much better than what the distro gives you.

    You're an idiot.

    Well insults show your lack of understanding on the subject :-)

    This morning I tested the new config on my normal morning web use, Usenet, news from several countries , sci.daily
    CNN, and the thing that struck me is:
    web browsing is *considerably* faster, that is when using chromium with --no-sandbox as root on my own X config.
    Probably logical as all the crap that normal raspian does in the background no longer is active on the system.
    I monitor usage too using vnstat, usage seems a bit lower too..
    Chromium almost as fast as Ubuntu with firefox.
    Will try to install firefox on this raspi later if it does not ask to many MB.. (reaching download limit for this month)
    I have the latest Ubuntu now an a separate micro SDcard for my Pi4 8GB, and on USB stick the x86 version for my laptop...
    It is good to compare, Ubuntu is very nice with no problems so far.

    As to being an idiot, well I wrote loads of soft Mr Couch :-)
    you can check my website
    http://panteltje,com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html
    Ran my own webserver (now at godaddy) and what not
    Yesterday I was playing with my rtl-sdr stick and the xpsa spectrum analyzer I wrote
    and listening to pa2non (am radio ham too).

    Maybe its all wasted on you, what did YOU do Mr Couch?
    There is some nice DVB-S stuff for raspi I wrote on that link too, hows you electronics wise gay??
    BTW that Pi4 GB is configured as router too, so my laptop for example hangs from it at home
    all on a 4G Huawei USB stick in the Pi

    Now as to latest raspian, *I* would fire those guys!
    it is a big security hole anybody with the pi account can do something like sudo rm -rf /*
    not even a password asked, and the same idiots who came up with that block X access for root??
    How daft can you get, almost as daft as that rathead guy who came up with dbus! You know rathead started that crap by making libc incompatible, I spotted a rathead CD
    when was it? almost in the last century? and tried it, libc compatibility problems..
    They use it to lock people into their system, dbus was simply an extension of that, ditched rathead immediately!
    some kernel pluckers fell for it :-)
    If you do ps -avx these days there is so much crap running that we really need a new OS.
    NONE of that shit is really needed!!

    So I keep playing and things work here.

    Slackware was really good, one man show, internally consistent, this laptop still runs an old version
    panteltje20: ~ # uname -a
    Linux panteltje20 2.6.37.6 #3 SMP Sat Apr 9 22:49:32 CDT 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

    Wow 11 years, used every day, has lots of stuff, only needs a more recent browser.
    Of course I am hacked shot, crashed, eaten and what not ???
    No!
    You know maybe see-eye-a has already put some trace software or bits are being coined, or like few weeks ago
    email asking for bitcoins or else, PLAY!
    Internet is wild wild west...
    But still online...

    What exactly are you afraid of Mr Couch?

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 09:26:11 2022
    On 19/06/2022 09:50, Dan Clough wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    > -=> Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-
    >
    > JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    > JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    > JP> Somehow those seem blocked.

    > You don't want to do that.
    >
    > Don't do that.

    TNP> Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.

    I wasn't the one asking the question.

    Are you as big an idiot as he is?


    I wasn't talking to you




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    ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

    Richard Feynman

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 10:00:22 2022
    On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:40:00 +1200
    nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10700.fidonet.org (Dan Clough) wrote:

    Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    He does, and I'm pretty sure he has a far deeper understanding of
    the implications than you do.

    Don't do that.

    Why ? What do you think is at risk ? <hint>only what's on the pi
    and anything that trusts the pi (probably nothing).

    Now if you were to say - don't trust that machine with sensitive
    data I suspect you'd find it was an unnecessary but valid warning.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Ralph Spitzner@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Jun 20 13:12:22 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/19/22 12:49 PM:
    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    you could use gksudo

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Jun 20 07:41:00 2022
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On 19/06/2022 09:50, Dan Clough wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    > -=> Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-
    >
    > JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    > JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    > JP> Somehow those seem blocked.

    > You don't want to do that.
    >
    > Don't do that.

    TNP> Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.

    I wasn't the one asking the question.

    Are you as big an idiot as he is?


    I wasn't talking to you

    You need to learn how to properly quote a message when you reply, then.

    You replied to me.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ahem A Rivet's Shot on Mon Jun 20 07:43:00 2022
    Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    He does, and I'm pretty sure he has a far deeper
    understanding of the implications than you do.

    What makes you "pretty sure" of that? How could you possibly know
    something like that? That's right....... you couldn't.

    Don't do that.

    Why ? What do you think is at risk ? <hint>only what's
    on the pi and anything that trusts the pi (probably nothing).

    Okay, so you're an idiot too. Got it.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Jun 20 07:45:00 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.
    Don't do that.

    Wel, been root since 1998, also on older vrions for pi

    But figured things out
    I boot by default without X to a command line
    Tried some things before that in the original version with xhost+
    and now I can simply as root from the command line type
    startx
    I did write my own .xinitrc for root
    chromium now only wants to run with --no-sandbox.
    A lot of shit stuff now also is gone, like auto-mount :-)
    Needs some more attention, but now my X has 9 desktops,
    runs fvwm, xfm, 8 terminals, same as on all my other systems
    zsh as shell..
    Much much better than what the distro gives you.

    You're an idiot.

    Well insults show your lack of understanding on the subject :-)

    <SNIP remaining drivel, including "website" URL that is a 404>

    More proof that you're an idiot.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Deloptes@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 14:40:14 2022
    Dan Clough wrote:

    You're an idiot.


    Insulting in public is very very bad habit. You are lucky you are in the virtual world, otherwise I guess you would be beaten so that you forget insulting.

    Insulting means you are even worse.

    You may take a more philosophical point of view and let the one kill
    himself, if he wants to.

    I found out stupidity has no limits and only Enlightment can help

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 17:53:04 2022
    On 19/06/2022 20:45, Dan Clough wrote:
    More proof that you're an idiot.

    see below. illegal .sig.
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    In your case, this seems true enough


    --
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    always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 17:52:05 2022
    On 19/06/2022 20:41, Dan Clough wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    TNP> On 19/06/2022 09:50, Dan Clough wrote:
    > -=> The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-
    >
    > > -=> Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-
    > >
    > > JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    > > JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    > > JP> Somehow those seem blocked.
    >
    > > You don't want to do that.
    > >
    > > Don't do that.
    >
    > TNP> Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.
    >
    > I wasn't the one asking the question.
    >
    > Are you as big an idiot as he is?
    >
    >
    TNP> I wasn't talking to you

    You need to learn how to properly quote a message when you reply, then.

    You replied to me.



    I didn't reply to anyone. I replied to the group. Usenet only allows a
    follow up, not a reply




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    At least I can construct a legal .sig..

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    always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Mon Jun 20 17:25:39 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jun 2022 07:45:00 +1200) it happened nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10720.fidonet.org (Dan Clough) wrote in <655740318@f1.n770.z10720.fidonet.org>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.
    Don't do that.

    Wel, been root since 1998, also on older vrions for pi

    But figured things out
    I boot by default without X to a command line
    Tried some things before that in the original version with xhost+
    and now I can simply as root from the command line type
    startx
    I did write my own .xinitrc for root
    chromium now only wants to run with --no-sandbox.
    A lot of shit stuff now also is gone, like auto-mount :-)
    Needs some more attention, but now my X has 9 desktops,
    runs fvwm, xfm, 8 terminals, same as on all my other systems
    zsh as shell..
    Much much better than what the distro gives you.

    You're an idiot.

    Well insults show your lack of understanding on the subject :-)

    <SNIP remaining drivel, including "website" URL that is a 404>

    aha you could not even figure out to replace a comma by a dot
    More proof that you're an idiot.




    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    Show us some code you wrote, some hardware you designed,
    some posting you did that made sense,
    else you are not worth following, but simply a waste of time and resources.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to rasp@spitzner.org on Mon Jun 20 17:25:39 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jun 2022 13:12:22 +0200) it happened Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote in <t8pkmg$vqt$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/19/22 12:49 PM:
    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    you could use gksudo

    what's gksudo?

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Jun 20 18:13:38 2022
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 17:25:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jun 2022 13:12:22 +0200) it happened Ralph
    Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote in <t8pkmg$vqt$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/19/22 12:49 PM:
    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    you could use gksudo

    what's gksudo?

    Graphical front for sudo so you can run graphical programs requiring root privileges from the command line without becoming root and starting a GUI.

    Not all distros support it.


    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Jun 20 18:26:28 2022
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    I replied to the group. Usenet only allows a follow up, not a reply

    When usenet meets fido, it rarely ends well.

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Mon Jun 20 19:24:46 2022
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 18:26:28 +0100
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:


    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    I replied to the group. Usenet only allows a follow up, not a reply

    When usenet meets fido, it rarely ends well.

    BBbutt on USENET nobody knows you're a dog.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Tue Jun 21 06:22:02 2022
    Dan Clough <nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10718.fidonet.org> wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On 19/06/2022 09:50, Dan Clough wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    > -=> Jan Panteltje wrote to All <=-
    >
    > JP> Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    > JP> how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    > JP> Somehow those seem blocked.

    > You don't want to do that.
    >
    > Don't do that.

    TNP> Just set up a root login and run your windows session as root.

    I wasn't the one asking the question.

    Are you as big an idiot as he is?


    I wasn't talking to you

    You need to learn how to properly quote a message when you reply, then.

    ...says the Fight-O-Net user who throws unnecessary initials into quotes.
    A saying about stones and glass houses comes to mind.

    Even AOLers after the September that never ended weren't this annoying.

    --
    _/_
    / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
    (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
    \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Gregorie on Tue Jun 21 09:22:43 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jun 2022 18:13:38 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <t8qdch$4av$1@dont-email.me>:

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 17:25:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jun 2022 13:12:22 +0200) it happened Ralph
    Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote in <t8pkmg$vqt$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/19/22 12:49 PM:
    Latest Raspi 4 32 bit,
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    you could use gksudo

    what's gksudo?

    Graphical front for sudo so you can run graphical programs requiring root >privileges from the command line without becoming root and starting a GUI.

    Not all distros support it.

    Thank you

    I looked at how Ubuntu does the browser thing.
    It seems to create a read-ony filesystem named 'snap'
    mounted on /dev/loop0 through /dev/loop5

    The whole thing, including firefox, took about 500 MB to download for Rasperry (snap that is)
    takes about 1 GB space on the SDcard... Then runs snapd..

    Maybe I should compile firefox from source some day and run it a root..

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  • From Ralph Spitzner@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 21 12:20:56 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/21/22 11:22 AM:

    The whole thing, including firefox, took about 500 MB to download for Rasperry (snap that is)
    takes about 1 GB space on the SDcard... Then runs snapd..

    Maybe I should compile firefox from source some day and run it a root..

    1. you can install firefox as a regular application ( from a debian .deb for instance)
    2 why do you need to run firefox as r00t ?

    -rasp

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to rasp@spitzner.org on Tue Jun 21 12:43:27 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:20:56 +0200) it happened Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote in <t8s622$q0b$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/21/22 11:22 AM:

    The whole thing, including firefox, took about 500 MB to download for Raspberry (snap that is)
    takes about 1 GB space on the SDcard... Then runs snapd..

    Maybe I should compile firefox from source some day and run it a root..

    1. you can install firefox as a regular application ( from a debian .deb for instance)
    2 why do you need to run firefox as r00t ?

    -rasp

    Well apt-get install firefox did not find anything
    but via snap you can install it.
    I do notice Chromium is much faster as root
    I am always root, I am the sys adm so to speak ;-)
    I also always watch what happens to the system,
    so if something strange happens I take action.

    Why run as some user? All bullshit.

    If anything messes up the system my backup SDcard is now 2 days old..
    just swap cards
    No important info on the raspi.

    Now it works really nice:
    I automatically boot as Pi to the command line
    I have a new .xinitrc in /home/pi
    so startx starts everything as pi
    But if I type sudo su a the command line and then startx
    the same .xinitrc is in /root/
    and everything in X starts as root
    Also the config files for xfm and fvwm, so same 9 virtual desktops..
    Nice way to compare

    Something needs to change, way too long boot times,
    way to much crap running, things changed by people who do not understand Unix at all and have no clue of the hardware
    resulting in ever more bloat..

    99% of all this can be done with a few lines of code.
    (I have written all that stuff, from this Usenet newsreader to email to what not)
    Exception is webbrowsers, I gave up on that as the spec is changing ever faster,
    mainly to accommodate more advertising it seems.

    A multitasking OS is easy to write, done it in the Z80 days with just a few bytes of RAM
    I design things with simple Microchip PIC processors that are faster, zero boot times,
    more reliable, cheaper.. written in asm.
    Published plenty of those on my site
    panteltje,com
    look for download link.

    So, Do not feel like writing a new OS now, Linux does most things
    But it needs stripping down.
    Maybe.. I have an old 1998 SLS Linux on a floppy...
    Maybe it would work..... you know Xfree days,, Before ALSA... Lynx browser...

    Linux is dead?

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 21 15:01:03 2022
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:43:27 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    So, Do not feel like writing a new OS now, Linux does most things
    But it needs stripping down.

    Have you ever looked at NetBSD ? I think you might find it
    interesting.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Liam Proven@3:770/3 to Ahem A Rivet's Shot on Tue Jun 21 17:17:20 2022
    On 21/06/2022 16:01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:43:27 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    So, Do not feel like writing a new OS now, Linux does most things
    But it needs stripping down.

    Have you ever looked at NetBSD ? I think you might find it
    interesting.

    Agreed.

    Or Plan 9, which is broadly UNIX 2.0:
    https://elinux.org/Plan_9_on_Raspberry_Pi https://mauri870.github.io/blog/posts/plan9-on-raspberry-pi-3/


    Or Inferno, the successor to Plan 9 and thus effectively UNIX 3.0. http://lynxline.com/projects/labs-portintg-inferno-os-to-raspberry-pi/

    Out of interest, Plan 9 was ported to the Pi by Richard Miller: https://raspi.tv/2012/plan-9-operating-system-for-the-raspberry-pi-demonstration-by-richard-miller

    He did the *first ever port of UNIX* outside of Bell Labs, to the
    Interdata 7/32 computer, back in 1976: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/Interdata/32bit/unix/univWollongong_v6/miller.pdf


    --
    Liam Proven ~ Prague, Czechia
    lproven+es@hotmail.com
    (or liamproven on either AOL or Yahoo UK)

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Shot on Tue Jun 21 16:46:41 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:01:03 +0100) it happened Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20220621150103.f7458aa06d5afbf201b0db5e@eircom.net>:

    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:43:27 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    So, Do not feel like writing a new OS now, Linux does most things
    But it needs stripping down.

    Have you ever looked at NetBSD ? I think you might find it
    interesting.

    I did look for the several version of BSD last week
    Am on my download limit, so next month, only 9 days from now, I may give it a try

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  • From Jim Jackson@3:770/3 to Dan Clough on Tue Jun 21 16:51:43 2022
    On 2022-06-19, Dan Clough <nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10719.fidonet.org> wrote:
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    He does, and I'm pretty sure he has a far deeper
    understanding of the implications than you do.

    What makes you "pretty sure" of that? How could you possibly know
    something like that? That's right....... you couldn't.

    Don't do that.

    Why ? What do you think is at risk ? <hint>only what's
    on the pi and anything that trusts the pi (probably nothing).

    Okay, so you're an idiot too. Got it.

    Instead of _just_ insults why not spell out WHY it's a bad idea?
    This has happenned too often.

    Plonk!

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  • From Jim Jackson@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 21 17:09:33 2022
    On 2022-06-21, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:20:56 +0200) it happened Ralph Spitzner
    <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote in <t8s622$q0b$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote on 6/21/22 11:22 AM:

    The whole thing, including firefox, took about 500 MB to download for Raspberry (snap that is)
    takes about 1 GB space on the SDcard... Then runs snapd..

    Maybe I should compile firefox from source some day and run it a root..

    1. you can install firefox as a regular application ( from a debian .deb for instance)
    2 why do you need to run firefox as r00t ?

    -rasp

    Well apt-get install firefox did not find anything

    And did you do a google to find the exact name to use?

    I think the packge you might need to install is called firefox-esr

    check out this page

    https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jim Jackson on Tue Jun 21 14:43:00 2022
    Jim Jackson wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On 2022-06-19, Dan Clough
    <nospam.Dan.Clough@f1.n770.z10719.fidonet.org> wrote:
    how do I give root permission to run GUI applications??
    Somehow those seem blocked.

    You don't want to do that.

    He does, and I'm pretty sure he has a far deeper
    understanding of the implications than you do.

    What makes you "pretty sure" of that? How could you possibly know
    something like that? That's right....... you couldn't.

    Don't do that.

    Why ? What do you think is at risk ? <hint>only what's
    on the pi and anything that trusts the pi (probably nothing).

    Okay, so you're an idiot too. Got it.

    Instead of _just_ insults why not spell out WHY it's a bad idea?
    This has happenned too often.

    Plonk!

    Hahaha, you fuckin Usenet retards/trolls make me laugh. Go send some
    more spam somewhere else, doofus.

    Folks, right here is a perfect example of why FidoNet should NOT be
    gated to the troll slum that is Usenet.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Nomen Nescio@3:770/3 to Jim Jackson on Tue Jun 21 23:43:49 2022
    On 2022-06-21, Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    Instead of _just_ insults

    Back in my day, a FIDO op would have terminated our access if they'd caught
    us using that kind of language on the net. Man, they've gone soft.

    why not spell out WHY it's a bad idea?
    This has happenned too often.

    It's probably one or the other of the usual reasons taken to an absolute, interpreting a SHOULD as MUST.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Nomen Nescio on Wed Jun 22 07:02:50 2022
    On 21/06/2022 22:43, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    On 2022-06-21, Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    Instead of _just_ insults

    Back in my day, a FIDO op would have terminated our access if they'd caught us using that kind of language on the net. Man, they've gone soft.

    why not spell out WHY it's a bad idea?
    This has happenned too often.

    It's probably one or the other of the usual reasons taken to an absolute, interpreting a SHOULD as MUST.

    The hall mark of stupid is extrapolating 'advisable in many
    circumstances' to 'mandatory in all circumstances'.

    Linux can run on anything from a IOT board in an appliance to a thousand
    user supercomputer, which gives plenty of 'circumstances'

    --
    “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
    (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
    about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
    the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
    'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
    a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
    rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
    things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
    you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.”

    Vaclav Klaus

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  • From Nomen Nescio@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 22 11:44:33 2022
    On 2022-06-21, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    But if I type sudo su a the command line
    ...
    things changed by people who do not understand Unix at all

    m-(

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Jun 24 14:17:12 2022
    On 21/06/2022 13:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I do notice Chromium is much faster as root
    I am always root, I am the sys adm so to speak ;-)

    I think someone has already called you an idiot, I'd like to second
    that, just in case anyone should read than and not realise what a
    fundamentally stupid thing it is to do.

    ---druck

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Jun 24 14:56:56 2022
    Hello Jan!

    Friday June 24 2022 14:17, druck wrote to you:

    On 21/06/2022 13:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I do notice Chromium is much faster as root
    I am always root, I am the sys adm so to speak ;-)

    I think someone has already called you an idiot, I'd like to second
    that, just in case anyone should read than and not realise what a fundamentally stupid thing it is to do.


    Usage of root or for that matter su or sudo other than for special purposes (i.e., not often) is NOT recommended as it allow you to make serious mistake with the system including but not limited to deleting the entire system very easily.

    You should only be using your user name for all general purposes and only do sudo if you need to run a system function that usually insists of running as root.

    No application should be working quicker as root over your normal user account and if it is you need to check system settings for it and if needed uninstall it and then re-install and see if that makes a difference.

    Personally I would not trust Chromium an inch as a normal user but would never trust it as root.

    The same applies to chrome - even less so.

    Linux is, a secure system providing it is used correctly.

    Same applies to Windows, you would never work in windows as administrator other
    than for installing software that you "know" where it comes from and even then run anti virus tool/s against the installer first.

    Also, despite what some like to think, running 32 bit O/S on a 64bit system reduces speed but that does depend on exactly the application and for many it would not be noticeable unless doing lots of calculations but that is not the only instance.

    The biggest reason for slow processing is :
    1. Using a SD card as your storage.
    2. Using a HDD connected to the USB 2 port.
    3. Same as 2, but using a USB 3 port including using a SSD.
    4. Using a slow SSD say for a Pi 4 on a M.2 connection where you could have a faster SSD and a better M.2 type interface.

    Above allowing for the fact that a Pi 4 is not that fast to start with but better than older one's.

    Remember the old saying, if you pay peanuts you must expect to get monkey's, the same applies to computers.


    Vincent

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  • From Don@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Jun 25 19:10:55 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    So, Do not feel like writing a new OS now, Linux does most things
    But it needs stripping down.

    Have you ever looked at NetBSD ? I think you might find it >>interesting.

    I did look for the several version of BSD last week
    Am on my download limit, so next month, only 9 days from now, I may give
    it a try

    Greetings Jan,

    Should you decide to use FreeBSD you may get some mileage out of this:

    This project shows how to obtain an appropriate ARM
    FreeBSD image and then install it on a Raspberry Pi 2B.

    (excerpt, more at the link)

    https://crcomp.net/bsdrpi/index.php

    Danke,

    --
    Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
    There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
    She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Vincent Coen on Mon Jun 27 17:48:22 2022
    On 24/06/2022 03:56, Vincent Coen wrote:
    You should only be using your user name for all general purposes

    Lets look at that statement. Lets in particular analyse the use of the
    word 'should'

    What does 'should' actually mean.
    "should

    c. 1200, from Old English sceolde, past tense of sceal (see shall).
    Preserves the original notion of "obligation" that has all but dropped
    from shall."

    Old English sceal, Northumbrian scule "I owe/he owes, will have to,
    ought to, must" (infinitive sculan, past tense sceolde), a common
    Germanic preterite-present verb (along with can, may, will), from Proto-Germanic *skal- (source also of Old Saxon sculan, Old Frisian
    skil, Old Norse and Swedish skola, Middle Dutch sullen, Old High German
    solan, German sollen, Gothic skulan "to owe, be under obligation;"
    related via past tense form to Old English scyld "guilt," German Schuld
    "guilt, debt;" also Old Norse Skuld, name of one of the Norns), from PIE
    root *skel- (2) "to be under an obligation."

    Ground sense of the Germanic word probably is "I owe," hence "I ought."
    The sense shifted in Middle English from a notion of "obligation" to
    include "futurity." Its past tense form has become should (q.v.).
    Cognates outside Germanic are Lithuanian skelėti "to be guilty," skilti
    "to get into debt;" Old Prussian skallisnan "duty," skellants "guilty." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Is it really a debt he owes not to use root?
    Is it a crime? An abnegation of a duty?
    Has he signed a blood oath 'I shall not use root' ?

    C'mon Mr Coen. Think about what you are casually tossing into the
    conversation here, a legal and moral obligation to not use root?
    I think not.

    If God had not meant us to use root privileges, he would not have made
    it possible...

    Only 'woke' people use 'should' to avoid explaining why...its simply a
    lazy appeal to some unnamed authority to explain why ones man's bigotry
    should be imposed upon another.

    Please try harder

    --
    “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
    urge to rule it.”
    – H. L. Mencken

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