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  • Suggestion: wiki available on Gopher

    From mounderfod@mounderfod@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Fri Jul 28 12:15:28 2023
    Hi,
    I noticed that the institute has its own gopher hole (gopher://tilde.institute) and indeed I have set up my own hole through it.
    However, I noticed that some useful info about the tilde that is present on the main website (including the wiki) is not available on Gopher.

    This is not surprising as it's way more likely to be seen and so it's a better use of precious time, but it would certainly be cool to have the info available on Gopher too.
    Honestly, I'd be happy to lend a hand in converting the wiki over to the gophermap format :)

    That is all, I have to say I am enjoying my time here as a new user :D

    -mounderfod

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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Fri Jul 28 14:43:46 2023
    Why not use a browser that still deserves its name and can access many protocols? That was the way the web was meant to be with the browser
    as the lens to view them all.

    Some browsers still can do it, e.g. elinks[1]. Even some "editors" kind
    of can do that[2].


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    1: https://github.com/rkd77/elinks

    2: https://web.archive.org/web/20220330113657if_/http://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp/20220124-165407__emacs__browsing_6_protocols.png
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  • From ~rdh@rdh@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Fri Jul 28 14:52:34 2023
    I've got to agree that the Institute's gophermap is definitely a
    second-class citizen. I kind of wish it had some of the information
    that is available on the web site. I'm not even talking about the
    wiki, just some more info on, e.g. what ~.institute even is. I
    suppose the idea is if you're looking at gopher, you already know
    what the server is about, and you're just here for the gopherholes,
    but idk, it would be nice if we pretended gopher was meaningful.

    On 2023-07-28, mounderfod@tilde.institute <mounderfod@tilde.institute> wrote:
    That is all, I have to say I am enjoying my time here as a new user :D

    -mounderfod

    Glad you enjoy it! Welcome to this place!

    ~rdh
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  • From Mark Cornick@mcornick@tilde.club to tilde.institute on Fri Jul 28 17:32:19 2023
    On 2023-07-28, ~rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
    I suppose the idea is if you're looking at gopher, you already know
    what the server is about, and you're just here for the gopherholes,
    but idk, it would be nice if we pretended gopher was meaningful.

    Unpopular opinion: gopher is not "meaningful", at least not outside of
    the circles of people that tend to populate the pubnixes. The vast, vast majority of the internet moved on decades ago. So the supposition that
    "if you're looking at gopher, you already know what the server is about"
    is almost certainly correct.

    I can't speak for the admins here, but if I were in charge, I'd welcome
    an effort by user(s) that are more passionate about gopher to convert
    some of the web content. You could start it off in your own
    public_gopher directory, then offer it up to be "promoted" when you're
    happy with it.
    --
    Mark Cornick
    mcornick@tilde.club
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  • From xwindows@xwindows@tilde.club to tilde.institute on Sat Jul 29 19:46:33 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, mounderfod wrote:

    I noticed that the institute has its own gopher hole (gopher://tilde.institute) and indeed
    I have set up my own hole through it.
    However, I noticed that some useful info about the tilde
    that is present on the main website (including the wiki)
    is not available on Gopher.

    Tilde.club wiki is available on Gopher [1], auto-rendered using
    something that is kinda like `lynx -dump` [2][3].
    I'm not sure what is the exact machination used
    (will have to ask ~deepend for that).

    Doing that might be a good start.

    Regards,
    ~xwindows


    [1] gopher://tilde.club/1/wiki/
    [2] Chances are it is not Lynx; Lynx uses number like `1.` not `[1]`
    in the footnotes.
    [3] Which a quirk is you would see that cross-wikipage links
    in footnotes are having `.html` as extension.
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Sat Jul 29 13:08:14 2023
    w3m -cols 67 -dump -o display_link_number=1 wiki.tilde.institute

    ... plus some post processing in an active gophermap probably can do
    that job, maybe even as general html->gopher gate.
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  • From ~rdh@rdh@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Mon Jul 31 04:01:55 2023
    On 2023-07-28, Mark Cornick <mcornick@tilde.club> wrote:
    Unpopular opinion: gopher is not "meaningful", at least not outside of
    the circles of people that tend to populate the pubnixes. The vast, vast majority of the internet moved on decades ago. So the supposition that
    "if you're looking at gopher, you already know what the server is about"
    is almost certainly correct.

    That's not so much an ``unpopular opinion'', as it is a fact. One
    which I happened to agree with. I just said I wish we would
    *PRETEND* it wasn't true. That's kind of the whole idea of pubnixes,
    we're pretending that we need to log onto a shared computer do do
    interesting things. We're pretending that NNTP is still relevant,
    and that what we say in this newsgroup matters. =)

    I can't speak for the admins here, but if I were in charge, I'd welcome
    an effort by user(s) that are more passionate about gopher to convert
    some of the web content. You could start it off in your own
    public_gopher directory, then offer it up to be "promoted" when you're
    happy with it.

    Yeah, I've actually recently considered reaching out with a diff
    of the gophermap, but I'm busy with some other things in life right
    now, and barely even have time to waste on arguing in newsgroups.

    But if someone else doesn't beat me to it, I will certainly look
    into writing some junk out.

    ~rdh
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to tilde.institute on Mon Jul 31 05:02:56 2023
    ~rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> writes:

    We're pretending that NNTP is still relevant
    ^^
    Pluralis majestatis? :-P
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    Solid facts do not need 1001 pictures.
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