• Steam DRM

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed Aug 5 21:11:28 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Aug 03 2020 04:25 pm

    consumption of optical emdia, worldwide, is still ON THE RISE. It might surprise you, but most of the population on this ball of mud has no fiber connection to his house.


    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    Besides, I love stashing the DVDs that come with Linux Magazine. When I need to fix something it is much faster to grab a DVD from the DVD pile than to download a rescue system. Specially if the machine you'd use for


    they actually still have 'linux magazine' that comes with dvds?

    that blows my mind
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Aug 5 21:14:57 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 03 2020 07:08 pm

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 03 2020 05:19 pm

    Internet connections are so quick now that there's no point in
    physical media. I can download a game faster than it takes to
    install it on an optical drive. I still prefer physical games on my
    consoles though.

    I originally figured the natural progression would probably be to buy games, movies, and music on USB flash drives. But it seems that didn't happen.. Not everyone has a fast internet connection though.

    Nightfox


    i guess they went with the cheaper option.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu Aug 6 09:48:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    they actually still have 'linux magazine' that comes with dvds?

    that blows my mind

    Yes they do. They print nearly 400 000 per year and get about 30 000 consumers of digital content in the same period.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Aug 6 12:16:35 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    consumption of optical emdia, worldwide, is still ON THE RISE. It
    might surprise you, but most of the population on this ball of mud
    has no fiber connection to his house.

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    Verizon set up a fiber network in my area a long time ago that they called Fios. Then Frontier bought out Verizon's internet service about 10 years ago. I've been using Frontier fiber since I bought my house about 5 years ago. Now, Frontier's internet here was recently bought out by Ziply Fiber. When that happened, my internet service started dropping out at random times. After a few phone calls, I finally got ahold of a customer support person at Ziply who sent a tech out to my house. He replaced the ONT box outside my house - He said our old one was an old model they had been seeing problems with. Since then, my internet service has been stable and has been good. I was satisfied enough that I even called and had my internet service upgraded, since they had a price deal for 12 months. And from what they said, even after the 12 months, the price should be about the same as what I was paying before. I had 50 megabit service both download & upload with Frontier, and I had them upgrade me to 100 megabit (both ways).

    I have a friend from high school who now lives in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and he has said they have really good internet service there.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Thu Aug 6 13:47:00 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Andeddu to Moondog on Wed Aug 05 2020 05:26 pm

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Tue Aug 04 2020 11:33 pm

    Look at all those ads for Hughesnet and notice how Dish and DirecTV still have a large customer base. Due to the size of the US, there are more locations than people realize that have limited or no choices for wired wi reless broadband.

    I take it that the high-density areas in the US are well networked? It's the same here in the UK... I know there are still people on dial-up in the remot Scottish Highlands.

    That's a spot on assessment. When you travel into more rural areas, the distances between homes and farms becomes a limitation for cable and other
    land line data providers. Cable providers have a "houses for mile of road" formula for making money off a cable run. I'm sure the telcos and fiber distributors also make more money off areas with higher population density,
    and ignore the less populated areas.

    During the early 20th century when electricity was considered a luxury
    instead of a utility, a federal "electrification act" was created to enforce delivering the electricial grid to lesser travelled areas and locations where there were less customers per square mile.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Thu Aug 6 13:49:00 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Andeddu to Moondog on Wed Aug 05 2020 05:30 pm

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Tue Aug 04 2020 11:38 pm

    Due to DRM, there may be cultural works that may not be easily recoverabl in the future without preseverationists creating workarounds to access r bypass oolder protection scheme. Imagine a library full of books, and no one can access them because the guy who owned the key threw it away when retired.

    It's a shame because a lot of the source codes for these games are going to missing once devs shutdown, and without cooperation from Steam, many of thes games are going to be lost forever. That's why I support Good Old Games whenever I can. They do sell SOME modern games DRM free.

    This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Thu Aug 6 15:56:18 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Thu Aug 06 2020 01:49 pm

    This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.

    Think positive. 60 years after the disapearance of the encryption keys, IT guys will find a way to break such "fossile" encryption and recover the data again!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Aug 6 22:55:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Aug 06 2020 12:16 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use
    spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    Verizon set up a fiber network in my area a long time ago that they called Fios. Then Frontier bought out Verizon's internet service about 10 years ago. I've been using Frontier fiber since I bought my house about 5 years ago. Now, Frontier's internet here was recently bought out by Ziply Fiber. When that happened, my internet service started dropping out at random times. After a few phone calls, I finally got ahold of a customer support person at Ziply who sent a tech out to my house. He replaced the ONT box


    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Aug 7 08:45:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the worst internet ni the world. There are other countries that have better internet speeds & infrastructure than we do, and customers there pay less for it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 00:13:16 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 05 2020 08:46 am

    I agree. Some areas just don't have high-speed internet, but it seems most people assume everyone has high-speed internet these days.

    I don't mind reasonable patches which are <4gb... it just seems the norm now that a lot of games released by Activision regularly ask for players to download up to 100gb in the form of a patch. Eurogamer released a news article a few days ago informing all players of CoD:MW (2019) that the next patch would be 47gb in size. All they were adding is a new map and bug fixing so there's no reasonable excuse for such a download size, by pushing such unoptimized downloads they're ostracizing a huge chunk of the community.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Aug 7 23:13:24 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:45 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area
    we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att
    and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the worst internet ni the world. There are other countries that have better internet speeds & infrastructure than we do, and customers there pay less for it.

    Nightfox


    yep and i've seen timewarner keep the speeds low and have everybody paying different prices. they would only raise the speeds when competition came in and took away customers.

    then when charter came in, they had people on 'legacy plans' where they paid more for less.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Fri Aug 7 21:50:15 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 12:13 am

    I don't mind reasonable patches which are <4gb... it just seems the norm now that a lot of games released by Activision regularly ask for players to download up to 100gb in the form of a patch. Eurogamer released a news article a few days ago informing all players of CoD:MW (2019) that the next patch would be 47gb in size. All they were adding is a new map and bug fixing so there's no reasonable excuse for such a download size, by pushing such unoptimized downloads they're ostracizing a huge chunk of the community.

    That's pretty big.
    In the 90s, I remember downloading patches for games like Descent, Doom, and others that would update the binaries from one version to a newer version. They'd basically do a "diff" between the old & new binaries, and the patcher program would basically change the old binary into the new binary based on the differences. It made for relatively small patches, though they were made only to update a specific version. They even did that to update shareware versions, if I remember right.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 08:52:00 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:45 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the wors

    Nightfox

    Other nations are as large as some of our states, so I can imagine it's
    cheaper to run high speed broadband elsewhere.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sat Aug 8 10:37:01 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 08:52 am

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of
    the wors

    Other nations are as large as some of our states, so I can imagine it's cheaper to run high speed broadband elsewhere.

    That's probably true. Also we have an old infrastructure in the US, whereas companies in other countries have installed newer infrastructure. Also I think there are laws in the US that favor copmanies more often than consumers.

    Nightfox

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sat Aug 8 23:17:49 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Thu Aug 06 2020 01:49 pm

    This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.

    This would not surprise me one bit. In 5-10 years, we may only be able to view home movies through streaming services along with the likes of iTunes for permanent "ownership"... I guess you're be able to transfer any movies purchased from iTunes onto another non-Apple device and burn it onto a disc today, but who knowns what the rules are going to be tomorrow.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 00:50:02 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 07 2020 09:50 pm

    That's pretty big.
    In the 90s, I remember downloading patches for games like Descent, Doom, and others that would update the binaries from one version to a newer version. They'd basically do a "diff" between the old & new binaries, and the patcher program would basically change the old binary into the new binary based on the differences. It made for relatively small patches, though they were made only to update a specific version. They even did that to update shareware versions, if I remember right.

    Developers are getting very lazy these days. I have seen games like PUBG basically asking people to re-download the entire title so that it can be updated fully. Activision has been doing similar things for a while... it's so anti-consumer. The majority of developers do provide patches that target only that which is in need of being changed.

    Next-gen titles are going to exceed 200gb in install size... I'd best have a 5G connection on stand-by if I am to negotiate patches for those games!

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tue Sep 8 00:57:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tue Sep 8 17:15:16 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Sep 08 2020 12:57 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
    which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use
    my cable modem.
    i think i pay 60 with ten buck promo off the 70.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    i think my upload limitations are based on the area. i had much faster upload speeds when i lived 20 miles away.
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Wed Sep 9 03:00:33 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Same for me here, though I don't use my cablemode for hosting our BBS (it's on a VPS instead) so no need for a static IP.

    What's rank is that my wife's business has to pay twice the rate and gets half the speeds.

    Hatton

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Wed Sep 9 09:11:04 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Sep 10 18:26:48 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:11 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
    200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

    digital man

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Mon Sep 21 15:37:06 2020
    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload.
    You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't
    cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 09:15:22 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Sep 21 2020 03:37 pm

    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Tue Sep 29 11:13:56 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 2020 09:15 am

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!

    My office is a few miles from Google/Facebook, we couldn't get anything above vDSL (6mb down, .5kb up) until about a year ago, but now were at 10Mb symetrical because it's so fucking expensive. We can go up to a gigabit, but our IT [female dog] is dumb as nails, and fucked over our relationship with the fiber line gods (AT*T).

    I mean, we don't need more than what we have, but it still pisses me off.

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 20:48:39 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to MRO on Tue Sep 29 2020 11:13 am

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.



    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Sep 30 08:13:18 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Wed Sep 30 11:03:56 2020
    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's
    gotten better.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Sep 30 16:16:18 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am


    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.



    i dont know why they just dont piggy back the power lines. that's what they used to do with cable.
    maybe they get damaged.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 30 16:18:24 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 11:03 am

    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
    they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
    people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
    can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.



    well i just looked it up and they arent going past the frost line. so that means all kinds of shit can happen. in the very least their patches will pop up and down.
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Wed Oct 7 08:16:58 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
    200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Wed Oct 7 08:18:00 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Wed Oct 7 12:21:34 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
    to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
    fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
    spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Thu Oct 8 17:09:40 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
    run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.



    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Oct 8 21:29:20 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    HusTler

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Oct 8 23:33:11 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??


    never happened.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Android8675 on Sat Oct 10 14:42:25 2020
    On 10/7/2020 8:16 AM, Android8675 wrote:
    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

    A lot of the incumbent cable/phone providers have actually been lobbying
    state congresses to get legislation that prevents municipalities from
    offering telecom or internet services directly.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Sat Oct 10 14:43:53 2020
    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Oct 10 21:40:36 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
    it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
    the fiber
    optics.


    now imagine your internet going out for a week after some dipshit
    contractor digs up an area without contacting the company who owns the fiber

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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Mon Oct 12 11:35:53 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Wed Oct 07 2020 12:21 pm

    fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility

    Right, I forget about that, but still property values, etc. Look at me, I buy my first house less than a year ago and i'm turning into a NIMBY'ite.

    companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    *sniff*


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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to HusTler on Mon Oct 12 11:38:54 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    I think SpaceX has taken over that project. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-network-early-tests-show-fast-speeds.html


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 12 18:16:15 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

    it doesnt work if cars drive over it. it gets ripped out.
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