On 06-14-22 06:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: House Bill <=-
Assault-style weapons (such as AR-15s) are too easily available
for those who commit such horrific crimes. Taking away easy access
to those weapons (and large capacity magazines) would be a start.
A ban, with real teeth, and no loopholes.
Yea but those heroic house Democrats don't want to take
assault weapons off the
market, they just want to confine the mass shootings to aggressors age
21 or older. Is that how they're gonna stick it to the gun
manufacturers? Surely it won't be that big of a setback for them.
I hope that your tongue did not hurt your cheek with that statement. People in Congress know that a total ban against AR-15 assault weapons would be blocked by the Republicans.
I hope that your tongue did not hurt your cheek with that statement.
People in Congress know that a total ban against AR-15 assault weapons
would be blocked by the Republicans.
Yea, or the media will have you thinking so.
They need a bill with more than just a gun take-away; significantly more.
Because otherwise that's all it is, and there's no guarantee that the guns are being taken away from would-be murderers.
significantly mThey need a bill with more than just a gun take-away;
How good of you to be so supportive of the bipartisan bill passed byMitch
the House, thanks to Speaker Pelosi's leadership. Too bad Moscow
will never allow it to even be brought up for a discussion, much less
a vote, in the Senate.
If any good comes out of this gun-grab, then I'll be grateful for that. Any
Republicans voting against it are rino power for November.
More measures to come later?
This is just a starting point?
Yea right - that's a pitch to give people a false sense of security; like "don't worry about gun violence anymore because the senate fixed it all up." Yea right. Not good enough.
An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. The number of mass
shootings went down. Way down. The number of other shootings also
went down. Way down. Republicans let the legislation lapse ten
years later. The number of mass shootings tripled ...
An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. The number of mass
shootings went down. Way down. The number of other shootings also
went down. Way down. Republicans let the legislation lapse ten
years later. The number of mass shootings tripled ...
I believe it, but now we're gonna raise the age from 18 to 21 for purchasing
assault weapons, during a time when 70 year olds are doing mass shootings in
churches with single shot pistols, because Matthew Mcconaughey knows best.
I believe it, but now we're gonna raise the age from 18 to 21 for purchasing
assault weapons, during a time when 70 year olds are doing mass shoot in
churches with single shot pistols, because Matthew Mcconaughey knows
Unfortunately, not even that baby step of raising the legal age from
18 to 21 for assault weapons will be mandated. Such a sad state of
affairs this country's refusal to take any serious steps towards
real gun control. More mass shootings to come, endorsed by the NRA
and Republican politicians ...
Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.
It also makes no difference if they're being shot at by 18 year olds or
70 year olds; it hurts either way.
Get serious! Find ways to protect people instead of just finding ways
to disarm people.
The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room:
1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often they aren't enforced.
2. Criminals don't obey laws.
3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that did nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend there.
On 22 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...
The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room: 1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often th aren't enforced.
Then clearly they're not the right laws.
2. Criminals don't obey laws.
They can be punished for disobeying them, though. And laws that non-criminals follow can prevent criminals from acquiring guns.
3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend the
This is an extremely dated comment. Chicago no longer has the strict gun laws that it once did, and hasn't for some time.
Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?
The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room:
1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often they aren't enforced.
2. Criminals don't obey laws.
3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that did nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend there.
On 22 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...It's because most people who own guns are responsible gun owners, ya know
Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?
Since when do criminals abide by any laws? And yet, we have and have always had laws. Strange, that.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
The narrative that's floating around is that gun laws are the answer to our problem (even though a few of us can see that it's not the answer.)
By promoting anti-gun laws, Democrats/rinos are appealing to the idiots who are under that spell.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?
This is what happens when a mayor who looks helluva a lot like the shrunken head of beetlejuice runs the city.
It's because most people who own guns are responsible gun owners, ya know hard working people who are contributing members of society.Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?Since when do criminals abide by any laws? And yet, we have and have always had laws. Strange, that.
I am sure you would not know anything about that though.
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about race, and would
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about race, and would rather flash their race-card as they argue and even fight with the officer.
On 23 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with
the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about
race, and would rather flash their race-card as they argue and even
fight with the officer.
That's a non-answer.
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?So that the criminals can be punished for breaking them when they get caught.
There are also some honest people that may find themselves in desperate situations, and having laws discourages them from doing something they would not normally do.
Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every typeRegistered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.
of law except gun laws?
Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every ty of law except gun laws?Registered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.
Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?So that the criminals can be punished for breaking them when they get caught.
There are also some honest people that may find themselves in desperate situations, and having laws discourages them from doing something they would not normally do.
Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every type of law except gun laws?
Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every tRegistered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.
of law except gun laws?
Gun laws are not the only laws that criminals break. And yet, we still have laws.
By promoting anti-gun laws, Democrats/rinos are appealing to the idio who are under that spell.
I think that the Dems/RINOs are doing the "squeeky wheel gets the
grease". They hear from a very small, but loud, group and are not bothering to find out what the majority actually think.
On 06-21-22 18:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Ar-15 <=-
Unfortunately, not even that baby step of raising the legal age from
18 to 21 for assault weapons will be mandated. Such a sad state of
affairs this country's refusal to take any serious steps towards
real gun control. More mass shootings to come, endorsed by the NRA
and Republican politicians ...
It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.
It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.
I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With
I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With
the former I have a decent chance of survival, especially if the shooter
is not a marksman who can hit the head or center mass. With the AR-15,
it hardly matters where the first bullet hits you. The remaining
bullets spray all over and when they hit, they explode to do maximum
damage. That is why the childred at that Texas school could not be identified by normal means -- their heads had been turned into chopped
meat.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
To change your question up a bit, why is it that leftists think that
yet another new gun law will be any different?
We were still a country of armed citizens 40-50 years ago, but yet
there did not seem to be the same number of mass shootings. So, if
people had guns and were not shooting each other, why not? Maybe it
would be worthwhile to figure out why and try and fix that?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.
Ron L. wrote to Mike Powell <=-
We were still a country of armed citizens 40-50 years ago, but yet
there did not seem to be the same number of mass shootings. So, if
people had guns and were not shooting each other, why not? Maybe it
would be worthwhile to figure out why and try and fix that?
But that would require work, research and, **gasp** they might find out that their Narrative is false.
Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.
Hence the push, in the People's Socialist Utopia of California right
now, to require people to "get insurance" for all their guns. A sneaky way of gun registration, which is the first step to gun confiscation.
On 06-26-22 12:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Ar-15 <=-
It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.
I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With
Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.
On 06-26-22 13:26, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Ar-15 <=-
Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.
Hence the push, in the People's Socialist Utopia of California right
now, to require people to "get insurance" for all their guns. A sneaky way of gun registration, which is the first step to gun confiscation.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
To change your question up a bit, why is it that leftists think that
yet another new gun law will be any different?
Because the Ignorant Elitists will never admit that their policies are failures. Therefore they must double down on their failed policies. To do otherwise would imply that their policies are failures.
States require insurance to drive a car. Why not insurance to have a
gun.
Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-
What you are describing would be a fully-automatic rifle, which IIRC
the military model AR-15 could be configured as. I don't know what he
had but, since it was supposedly acquired legally, it is possible it
was altered in a way that might not be legal, or he somehow purchased legally a former military weapon.
Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-
What you are describing would be a fully-automatic rifle, which IIRC
the military model AR-15 could be configured as. I don't know what he had but, since it was supposedly acquired legally, it is possible it
was altered in a way that might not be legal, or he somehow purchased legally a former military weapon.
I'm pretty sure that making an AR-15 fully automatic would be a felony.
Semi-automatic weapons range from AR-15s to hunting rifles to pistols. Most of the "assault weapon" bans have dealt with magazine size and specific brands, which make lots of loopholes. At the end of the day, they all can shoot rounds as quickly as you could pull the trigger - and can cause the kind of pain and suffering we see all too often.
I'd like to see all of the removeable magazine guns off the streets, but allow semi-automatic with a limited internal magazine, as a semi-automatic rifle that's manually fed into an internal magazine still has a use in hunting. I don't need to be able to shoot 60 rounds in 10 seconds using 3 20-round magazines to hunt, but being able to shoot 6 rounds at a time
before manually reloading seems like an effective compromise.
Then again, we fought a world war and a half with bolt-action, manually-fed rifles.
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