So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?

The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

Are they? I don't see any evidence of that. I think most of them want to
be sure that their fellow left-leaners get out and vote.


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The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

Are they? I don't see any evidence of that.

Oh, it's out there. But it's the usual propaganda that we see every election season and now that we know that the Media is really the Propaganda Ministry, we've just gotten into the habit of ignoring it.

But it does seem a little lighter than previous years.

I think most of them want
to be sure that their fellow left-leaners get out and vote.

And I think this is the reason. They don't want their minions to stay home thinking "it's in the bag" and losing by an even bigger margin.

But another reason is that non-elitists are simply not answering polls. So the numbers that they are getting are very skewed - more than normal.


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The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

Are they? I don't see any evidence of that. I think most of them want
to be sure that their fellow left-leaners get out and vote.

That's the subliminal message that I receive when I hear "Biden polling lower than any other president in history."

I don't believe that anyone who voted Biden in 2016 won't do so again in 2024. He's done nothing to lose their trust, because they trust snakes and snake oil salesmen.

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On 20 Sep 2022, Ron L. said the following...

The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag

Are they? I don't see any evidence of that.

Oh, it's out there. But it's the usual propaganda that we see every election season and now that we know that the Media is really the Propaganda Ministry, we've just gotten into the habit of ignoring it.
But it does seem a little lighter than previous years.

I think most of them want
to be sure that their fellow left-leaners get out and vote.

And I think this is the reason. They don't want their minions to stay home thinking "it's in the bag" and losing by an even bigger margin.
But another reason is that non-elitists are simply not answering polls. So the numbers that they are getting are very skewed - more than normal.

So to sum this up...

The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag, just like they always do, except not as much as they usually do because they don't want their voters getting too comfortable, except that it looks like more
than usual because the rightists are refusing to participate in polls.

So it looks like more than it is, which it isn't, because it always is?

What kind of nonsense is this?

Also, there's more than polling than just asking a bunch of people some questions ad adding up the answers. For one thing, they're corrected for ideological bias.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

I don't believe that anyone who voted Biden in 2016 won't do so again in 2024. He's done nothing to lose their trust, because they trust snakes and snake oil salesmen.

You right. Everybody will be voting for Kamala.

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Also, there's more than polling than just asking a bunch of people some questions ad adding up the answers. For one thing, they're corrected for ideological bias.

How do they do that? How would you know that the "correction" is not
actually the result of the bias of the poll taker/corrector?


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On 23 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Also, there's more than polling than just asking a bunch of people some questions ad adding up the answers. For one thing, they're corrected for ideological bias.

How do they do that? How would you know that the "correction" is not actually the result of the bias of the poll taker/corrector?

They weight the answers. In the most simple cases, they ask those polled to self-identify as Democrat, Republican, or independent. Then they weight each group's answers to what is known about the actual Democrat/Republican/independent makeup of the US. If Republicans are under-represented, then the answers from Republicans are given added weight
to correct for the bias.

Jeff.

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You right. Everybody will be voting for Kamala.

There's no reason for Biden not to run. He's been good to the leftists.

The only thing that might stop him is if he accidentally destroys too much USA before the 2024 election; if there's no USA left to destroy in 2024, he would actually have no reason to run for re-election because his mission will have already been accomplished early.

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On 09-23-22 12:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: fbi <=-

That's all that matters to the leftists; "anything but Trump."
Although I can ask any leftist "Why anybody but Trump?" and the best answer they can give is "because he was impeached!" or "because he said dead soldiers are losers!" or "because he beats his wife!"

How about:
His attempts to stay in power by:
fomenting an armed sedition,
efforts to send false electors to Congress, and
pressuring states to modify their vote count.

His violation of document retention laws, including highly classified documents.

He was twice impeached but not found guilty because of partisan
politics.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 23 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Also, there's more than polling than just asking a bunch of people some
questions ad adding up the answers. For one thing, they're corrected fo
ideological bias.

How do they do that? How would you know that the "correction" is not actually the result of the bias of the poll taker/corrector?

They weight the answers. In the most simple cases, they ask those polled to self-identify as Democrat, Republican, or independent. Then they weight each group's answers to what is known about the actual Democrat/Republican/independent makeup of the US. If Republicans are under-represented, then the answers from Republicans are given added weight to correct for the bias.

OK, that makes sense. :)


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We learned all about that in US History classes. I don't think you have a firm grasp on how things become law in the United States, or how court rulings work.

Yes, I understand.

You still do not seem to.

It does not matter how long ago the original ruling was decided, it is never, ever on solid ground until it is passed into LAW by Congress, and then until it passes the test of being Constitutional (something that would happen in the courts).

Laws were not written because they were not needed.

But they were needed. Otherwise, it would still be legal.

The Democrats knew this could happen... they bring up how abortion could be overturned if they are not elected during EVERY election cycle. They never do anything when they can because then they could not keep using that threat to abortion rights during their campaigns.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to codify these laws if some believe women don't ha
privacy/abortion/human/health care rights.

The problem is that privacy is covered. Abortion is not specificially
covered. It is difficult to call it personl privacy because it (usually)
takes two people to cause a pregnancy, and both of those people have rights.

Nope, I was not talking about the errosion of democracy or freedom. That was a
pin you put into my words.

I think the right in the US is a danger to democracy to be clear, but that is t what I am talking about here.

From earlier in THIS VERY THREAD:

| Conservatives are unified alright.
|
| No more democracy.
+-[AI=>AT]

AI is you. That little arrow means you said it to AT (Aaron). That text
was still in the first message I responded to. So, tell me again that you are/were not discussing the errosion of democracy.

No, it actually isn't. I looked it up. The problem comes from how the bill
was originally written. It was written to remove all penalties for the outcome of a pregnacy, i.e. one that was terminated or where a baby is
stillborn. However, as originally written, the language also removed all civ
and criminal penalty and liability for "perinatal" death. "Perinatal" is defined as the period around childbirth -- 5 months before and 1 month after

No, that is not what the pro-choice side wants or is doing.

But the law was written that way originally, until others pointed it out.
I don't really think they MEANT to write it that way, but
they obviously didn't read it too well or didn't understand the language
they used in their own bill.

That last bit is the important part. They meant to absolve anyone whose child dies of natural causes within the preinatal period. Because the language was vague, and did not specifically state what they meant by "perinatal" period, it left the door open for a court to interpret the law as including children that died from other non-natural causes during the first month after birth.

Pregnacy and the natural death of a fetus are natural things. There is no need
o write laws about it.

They are not only covering natural death. See the word "terminated" in the previous paragraph.

Once the "California wants to make post-birth abortion legal" news started spreading, the legal team for the legislator who introduced the bill introduced amendments to close those potential loopholes/legal misinterpretations.

I don't think Californians, democrats or anyone else wants "post-birth abortio
to be legal.

I don't actually know where that comes from or what it actually means.

Then they wrote it wrong. It got fixed but only after people saw it, but
to point out that it was written that way is not propaganda because it is
true. Otherwise, why did they feel the need to amend it to fix it?

It "comes from" the original text of the law being too vague.

Not at all, but being court precedent does not mean that the court cannot overturn it later. Making it LAW would have solved that issue, so long as the LAW was written in a manner that would allow it to stand up to the test of being Constitutional.

I guess so, since that is what has now happened.

I know so, and so did Democrats long before it happened.

What I am saying is that if Roe v Wade is settled law (precedent) as many have
aid then there isn't really a reason for law makers to codify any law.

To stop it from being overturned. You seemed to understand that in your statement previous to this one but I guess not.

Could be, but it will have to stand the test of being Constitutional. If the Democrats had not wasted several opportunites to make it LAW, the Republican task of creating a ban would be much more difficult.

The democrats have not wasted anything. What is happening now is a waste.

They most certainly did. I don't want it to be made illegal nationwide,
either but if it happens the Democrats played a part in it by not doing
their stated jobs ("elect us and we will do something to protect it!").


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Laws were not written because they were not needed.

But they were needed. Otherwise, it would still be legal.

No, Roe was overturned by an extreme SCOTUS.

Nope, I was not talking about the errosion of democracy or freedom. That was >> a spin you put into my words.

I think the right in the US is a danger to democracy to be clear, but that is >> t what I am talking about here.

From earlier in THIS VERY THREAD:

I said that earlier in the thread but that was not what I was talking about.

AI is you. That little arrow means you said it to AT (Aaron). That text
was still in the first message I responded to. So, tell me again that you are/were not discussing the errosion of democracy.

OK then, I'll tell you again. I said that earlier in the thread but I am not talking about that now.

If you want to talk about something I said ealier then bring it up and we'll talk about it. In any case that is not what I was talking about.

No, that is not what the pro-choice side wants or is doing.

But the law was written that way originally, until others pointed it out.
I don't really think they MEANT to write it that way, but
they obviously didn't read it too well or didn't understand the language
they used in their own bill.

That a great talking point that you and other bring up from time to time but it is not what the pro-choice side wants or is doing.

They are not only covering natural death. See the word "terminated" in the previous paragraph.

You want to bring something into it but I am not going. Feel free to discuss that with others.

What I am saying is that if Roe v Wade is settled law (precedent) as many
have said then there isn't really a reason for law makers to codify any law.

To stop it from being overturned. You seemed to understand that in your statement previous to this one but I guess not.

I understand that Roe v Wade is/was considered settled law (before the extreme SCOTUS overturned it) and that is why laws were not needed.

They most certainly did. I don't want it to be made illegal nationwide, either but if it happens the Democrats played a part in it by not doing
their stated jobs ("elect us and we will do something to protect it!").

If it happens it's because the republican party wants it and pushes it through not because of anything the democrats did. The democrats don't want or work for it.

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Hello Aaron,

You right. Everybody will be voting for Kamala.

There's no reason for Biden not to run. He's been good to the leftists.

Biden has been good to everybody. Except MAGA Republicans, who nobody
likes anyway.

The only thing that might stop him is if he accidentally destroys too much USA before the 2024 election;

Everything the Biden adminstration has done has been good for the
USA, and will continue for as long as he remains POTUS. As such, he
must be doing something right.

if there's no USA left to destroy in 2024, he would actually have no reason
to run for re-election because his mission will have already been accomplished early.

Unlike his predecessor, Biden will not make a deal with Putin.
Or with that other tinhorn dictator known as "Rocket Man". So rest
assured, we are in good hands with All_Biden.

For Life,
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How about:
His attempts to stay in power by:
fomenting an armed sedition,
efforts to send false electors to Congress, and
pressuring states to modify their vote count.

That all came way way after the 5 years of media attacks.

The severe & unprecedented media attacks started in 2016.

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Unlike his predecessor, Biden will not make a deal with Putin.
Or with that other tinhorn dictator known as "Rocket Man". So rest assured, we are in good hands with All_Biden.

Do you think Putin appreciated Trump ordering a strike on his military base in Syria?

Or with that other tinhorn dictator known as "Rocket Man". So rest

Oh yea, Trump sold us out to North Korea, didn't he?

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On 09-24-22 19:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

How about:
His attempts to stay in power by:
fomenting an armed sedition,
efforts to send false electors to Congress, and
pressuring states to modify their vote count.

That all came way way after the 5 years of media attacks.

The severe & unprecedented media attacks started in 2016.

Severe yes, unprecedented yes, justified yes. The attacks started
because of calling him out on his constant lies and bad steps. In any
case whatever went on in 2016 cannot justify what he did in 2020.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Aaron,

How about:
His attempts to stay in power by:
fomenting an armed sedition,
efforts to send false electors to Congress, and
pressuring states to modify their vote count.

That all came way way after the 5 years of media attacks.

That's what happens when one is a public figure. And Donald Trump
has been a public figure for decades, not just the past 5 years.
So please. Get over it.

The severe & unprecedented media attacks started in 2016.

Why are you praising Trump, and the actions he has done?
Bloviating about how he has been criticized by the news media
is not a reason, or even an excuse.

The man is a public figure, and is open game to criticism
from everyone. Including the news media.

And so is Joe Biden.

The difference being Joe Biden doesn't cry about it.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Unlike his predecessor, Biden will not make a deal with Putin.
Or with that other tinhorn dictator known as "Rocket Man". So rest
assured, we are in good hands with All_Biden.

Do you think Putin appreciated Trump ordering a strike on his military base
in Syria?

Putin didn't mind. There was nothing there, except an empty building.

Or with that other tinhorn dictator known as "Rocket Man". So rest

Oh yea, Trump sold us out to North Korea, didn't he?

Your orange clown accomplished nothing by his antics. North Korea
continues to threaten its neighbors, and the USA, with nukes.

For Life,
Lee

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Laws were not written because they were not needed.

But they were needed. Otherwise, it would still be legal.

No, Roe was overturned by an extreme SCOTUS.

And that is why a LAW was needed, so that could not happen. You cannot seem
to figure that out, which makes this discussion pointless. <shrugs>


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How about:
His attempts to stay in power by:
fomenting an armed sedition,
efforts to send false electors to Congress, and
pressuring states to modify their vote count.

That all came way way after the 5 years of media attacks.

The severe & unprecedented media attacks started in 2016.

Severe yes, unprecedented yes, justified yes. The attacks started
because of calling him out on his constant lies and bad steps. In any
case whatever went on in 2016 cannot justify what he did in 2020.

If catching a politician telling constant lies and making bad steps was
enough to justify such coverage, nearly every politician would get such coverage. Some of them, like Trump, HRC, Biden (for his mental lapses),
and Cuomo would have required 24 hour/7 day coverage. As it was, they
didn't all get that level. Only Trump came close.


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Severe yes, unprecedented yes, justified yes. The attacks started
because of calling him out on his constant lies and bad steps. In any case whatever went on in 2016 cannot justify what he did in 2020.

What Trump did in 2020 doesn't justify or necessitate what the media did from 2016-now.

The media didn't hover over Trump because they "knew somehow that he would do something bad" or because "he led a coup attempt." Their decision to attack
him mercilessly came way before any of that. Before any "lies" too.

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The severe & unprecedented media attacks started in 2016.

Why are you praising Trump, and the actions he has done?
Bloviating about how he has been criticized by the news media
is not a reason, or even an excuse.

That's not praise of Trump; it's realization that Trump is an extreme threat not only to Democrats, but to the entire media.

Why is Trump such a threat to all of them? Nothing bad happened to the
American people while he was president (unlike Biden.) I'm confident it's all about the money. Everyone loves it, and Democrats can't get enough of it.

The man is a public figure, and is open game to criticism
from everyone. Including the news media.

And so is Joe Biden.

The difference being Joe Biden doesn't cry about it.

The difference is that Biden, Obama, GWB, none of them were under 24/7 media attack. All of them were attacked by SNL, but none of them were attacked by Sesame Street.

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Do you think Putin appreciated Trump ordering a strike on his militar base
in Syria?

Putin didn't mind. There was nothing there, except an empty building.

NBC says that at least 94 ISIS fighters were killed.

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On 09-25-22 09:36, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

If catching a politician telling constant lies and making bad steps
was enough to justify such coverage, nearly every politician would get such coverage. Some of them, like Trump, HRC, Biden (for his mental lapses), and Cuomo would have required 24 hour/7 day coverage. As it
was, they didn't all get that level. Only Trump came close.

It was not just occasional lies. He averaged more than 25 lies per day.
I would say that the "constant lies" is accurate for Trump, but not for
the others you name.

Dale Shipp
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On 09-25-22 11:55, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

Severe yes, unprecedented yes, justified yes. The attacks started
because of calling him out on his constant lies and bad steps. In any case whatever went on in 2016 cannot justify what he did in 2020.

What Trump did in 2020 doesn't justify or necessitate what the media
did from 2016-now.

I did not say that 2020 did justify 2016. What happened wrt Trump in
2016 and beyond was based solely on Trump's behavior.

The media didn't hover over Trump because they "knew somehow that he
would do something bad" or because "he led a coup attempt." Their
decision to attack him mercilessly came way before any of that.

So it did. He got what he deserved.

Before any "lies" too.

Nope. The multiple lies started before 2016.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Hello Aaron,

Severe yes, unprecedented yes, justified yes. The attacks started
because of calling him out on his constant lies and bad steps. In any
case whatever went on in 2016 cannot justify what he did in 2020.

What Trump did in 2020 doesn't justify or necessitate what the media did from 2016-now.

The news media reported those actions, as that was their job.
Should the news media have ignored what Trump did? Let it slide?
Nothing Trump did in 2020 (and especially on January 6, 2021)
was justified. Even what he did before 2020 was not justified.

The media didn't hover over Trump because they "knew somehow that he would do something bad" or because "he led a coup attempt." Their decision to attack him mercilessly came way before any of that. Before any "lies" too.

Trump is a public figure, and has been for decades. The news media
has reported his antics, long before he even contemplated running for president. But you say he should have been given a pass from the get
go. Let Trump do whatever he wants, never questioning a thing. Or
allowing others to criticize him, with or without reason.

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

For Life,
Lee

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Before any "lies" too.

Nope. The multiple lies started before 2016.

What did Trump lie about prior to 2016? Anything relevant to how he'd run the white house?

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Trump is a public figure, and has been for decades. The news media
has reported his antics, long before he even contemplated running for president. But you say he should have been given a pass from the get
go. Let Trump do whatever he wants, never questioning a thing. Or
allowing others to criticize him, with or without reason.

I still don't know what he did wrong. Document theft doesn't seem like a big deal to me. We let Hillary get away with mishandling documents, so I think Trump should get away with it too, especially since he was so good to us while president.

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

What did Trump do for Putin? Putin was waiting for Trump to leave office so he could invade Ukraine more easily. The troop build-up came after the Biden regime invaded the USA.

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On 09-26-22 12:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

Before any "lies" too.

Nope. The multiple lies started before 2016.

What did Trump lie about prior to 2016? Anything relevant to how he'd
run the white house?

I cannot recall anything specific. Your diversion from the topic is now successful.

Dale Shipp
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On 09-26-22 20:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Why not Trump <=-

I still don't know what he did wrong. Document theft doesn't seem like
a big deal to me.

Then you do not understand what is involved. Some of the documents that
he had contained very sensitive information and were just laying around
in a manner such that multiple people, including foreign spys, could
easily get to them. Some of those documents could have gotten
intelligence assets of the USA killed. They were assets who were
risking their life to provide the USA with valuable information that
helps to keep America safe. Other documents would have revealed sources
and methods that would tell a foreign government where and how we were obtaining valuable intelligence information about that foreign
government. Once that foreign government knew that, they could close
the door on our access and thus deny the USA from obtaining that
information -- and thus harm the national security of the USA.

If that does not seem like a big deal to you, then you are either
misinformed or do not care about matters of security of the USA.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 26 Sep 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

yup, Joe Biden is

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's BBS
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Then you do not understand what is involved. Some of the documents that he had contained very sensitive information and were just laying around
in a manner such that multiple people, including foreign spys, could easily get to them. Some of those documents could have gotten intelligence assets of the USA killed. They were assets who were
risking their life to provide the USA with valuable information that
helps to keep America safe. Other documents would have revealed sources and methods that would tell a foreign government where and how we were obtaining valuable intelligence information about that foreign
government. Once that foreign government knew that, they could close
the door on our access and thus deny the USA from obtaining that information -- and thus harm the national security of the USA.

What about Hillary's private email server while she was Secretary of State?

Surely the information contained in those emails could have been used against the USA. I guess that since they were not used to harm the country, then there's no desire to prosecute Hillary. So why Trump? The horrible accent?

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Hello Aaron,

Trump is a public figure, and has been for decades. The news media
has reported his antics, long before he even contemplated running for
president. But you say he should have been given a pass from the get
go. Let Trump do whatever he wants, never questioning a thing. Or
allowing others to criticize him, with or without reason.

I still don't know what he did wrong.

You have got to be kidding me. Either that, or admitting you are
the stupidest person on earth.

Document theft doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Among those documents are classified government documents, some
of them labeled "top secret" - none of them having been declassified
by Trump when he was president (or by President Biden).

What makes it a big deal is those documents were at Mar-a-Lago
when nobody else was there. And anybody could have read them, or
made copies of them. Including our enemies.

That is what happens when someone who does not have the maturity
of a small child to keep important documents safely away from the
prying eyes of those who would do us harm.

We let Hillary get away with mishandling documents, so I think
Trump should get away with it too, especially since he was so good to us while president.

This was not a case of a government person using a personal cell
phone to send and receive e-mails. James Comey said it was a mistake,
and so did Hillary Clinton. And as far as anybody knows, Vladimir
Putin never did read any of those juicy e-mails. So no harm, no
foul.

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

What did Trump do for Putin?

Everything he could.

Putin was waiting for Trump to leave office so he could invade Ukraine more
easily.

Putin ordered his invasion (and illegal annexation) of Crimea
in 2014. Trump was elected in 2016, and did nothing to discourage
Putin from withdrawing Russian troops. Trump also attempted to
weaken NATO by threatening to withdraw the US, leaving all of
Europe at Putin's mercy.

The troop build-up came after the Biden regime invaded the USA.

Russian troops invaded Ukraine in 2014. two years before Trump
was elected. That was just the beginning of the conflict.

For Life,
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Hello Joe,

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

yup, Joe Biden is

I do not see Biden caving in to any of Putin's demands.

For Life,
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What makes it a big deal is those documents were at Mar-a-Lago
when nobody else was there. And anybody could have read them, or
made copies of them. Including our enemies.

"Could have" but didn't. Mar-a-Lago isn't a public resort. Why do you think Trump was hoarding those documents in the first place? They probably contain damning evidence against top leftist reptilian Democrat officials.

We don't know what those documents are all about, but rage is what the media wants us to feel. Are you feeling that rage that the media wants you to feel?

This was not a case of a government person using a personal cell
phone to send and receive e-mails. James Comey said it was a mistake,
and so did Hillary Clinton. And as far as anybody knows, Vladimir
Putin never did read any of those juicy e-mails. So no harm, no
foul.

As far as anybody knows, Putin never visited Mar-a-Lago to read Trump's stolen documents either.

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On 09-27-22 12:36, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

Then you do not understand what is involved. Some of the documents that he had contained very sensitive information and were just laying around
in a manner such that multiple people, including foreign spys, could easily get to them. Some of those documents could have gotten intelligence assets of the USA killed. They were assets who were
risking their life to provide the USA with valuable information that
helps to keep America safe. Other documents would have revealed sources and methods that would tell a foreign government where and how we were obtaining valuable intelligence information about that foreign
government. Once that foreign government knew that, they could close
the door on our access and thus deny the USA from obtaining that information -- and thus harm the national security of the USA.

What about Hillary's private email server while she was Secretary of State?

Is that all you have to say? Bringing up an old "whataboutit" that has
been discussed to death and dismissed because none of the emails were
marked classified. The appropriate comparison is like comparing a grape
to a durian.

Read what I said above once more and try to understand the difference.

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Then you do not understand what is involved. Some of the documents t he had contained very sensitive information and were just laying arou in a manner such that multiple people, including foreign spys, could easily get to them. Some of those documents could have gotten intelligence assets of the USA killed. They were assets who were risking their life to provide the USA with valuable information that helps to keep America safe. Other documents would have revealed sour and methods that would tell a foreign government where and how we wer obtaining valuable intelligence information about that foreign government. Once that foreign government knew that, they could close the door on our access and thus deny the USA from obtaining that information -- and thus harm the national security of the USA.

What about Hillary's private email server while she was Secretary of State?

Is that all you have to say? Bringing up an old "whataboutit" that has been discussed to death and dismissed because none of the emails were marked classified. The appropriate comparison is like comparing a grape to a durian.

Your paragraph has a bunch of "what ifs" in it too. Nobody knows if classified information was contained in Hillary's private server because so many of the emails had already been deleted.

"What if spies came to Trump's house and read the documents?"

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that Trump illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did something
that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting people pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name of the game since day 1.

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"What if spies came to Trump's house and read the documents?"

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that Trump illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting people pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name of the game since day 1.

And yet if you mention that the government should have been trying harder
to get the documents back sooner if they were that sensitive, you will get
a different story about how it was ok to wait.

So somehow the documents were so sensitive that they could have got US assets killed if they fell into the wrong hands, yet not sensitive enough that they couldn't wait well over a year before trying, in earnest, to repossess them.

I personally don't believe that they could be both at the same time, but I
am not a Democrat so...


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On 09-28-22 14:04, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that Trump illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did
something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting people pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name of
the game since day 1.

What is in those documents is classified information -- some at levels
above Top Secret. That is all any one of us needs to know. What Trump
did was dangerous and against the law.

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On 09-28-22 16:40, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Why not Trump <=-

And yet if you mention that the government should have been trying
harder to get the documents back sooner if they were that sensitive,
you will get a different story about how it was ok to wait.

They tried multiple times, then Trump gave them some of the documents.
His lawyers then denied that there were any more. It was only after the Arcives retrieved the first batch of documents that it became known that
some of them were classified.

So somehow the documents were so sensitive that they could have got US assets killed if they fell into the wrong hands, yet not sensitive
enough that they couldn't wait well over a year before trying, in
earnest, to repossess them.

They made multiple attempts before they seized the documents based on a
search warrent. It was only after they got them that it was realized
how sensitive some of the documents were.

I personally don't believe that they could be both at the same time,
but I am not a Democrat so...

As explained above they could be both. And you are not a Democrat.

Dale Shipp
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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

I personally don't believe that they could be both at the same time,
but I am not a Democrat so...

I'm remembering the Infocom game Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

As part of the game, you had to enter your head and grab the last speck of reason. Then you could pickup "Tea" and "No Tea" at the same time.


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On 28 Sep 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Joe,

Vladimir Putin's perfect pet.

yup, Joe Biden is

I do not see Biden caving in to any of Putin's demands.

Or did you see Trump, Out of ALL the recent presidents Trump was the one who held Putin's feet to the fire... Recall it was Trump who stopped the Nord Stream pipeline... Later it was Biden who gave Putin the go ahead to start it back up... Well... it was Biden who then blew it up, recently, so as he could start world war 3...

IB Joe
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Hello Dale,

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that Trump
illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did
something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting people
pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name of
the game since day 1.

What is in those documents is classified information -- some at levels above Top Secret. That is all any one of us needs to know. What Trump did was dangerous and against the law.

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

For Life,
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On 09-30-22 05:18, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Why not Trump <=-

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

I have no doubt that he will be charged, but also that he will use any
delaying technique he can invent.

Dale Shipp
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Re: Why not Trump
By: Lee Lofaso to Dale Shipp on Fri Sep 30 2022 05:18:06

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that Trump
illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did
something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting people
pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name of
the game since day 1.

how was it illegally obtained? he was POTUS at the time and was allowed to have them, not to mention the fact that the fbi/doj/national records offices have had over 6 months TO GO GET THE DAMN THINGS out of mar-a-lago.

but they didnt... i wonder why.

What is in those documents is classified information -- some at levels above Top Secret. That is all any one of us

which could potentially have been de-classifed when he was in office.

needs to know. What Trump did was dangerous and against the law.

prove it. with undeniable and public record and fact and not just heresay

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

not to mention the shit ton of classified crap that other presidents (on both sides) have taken

(amongst other people)

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Re: Re: Why not Trump
By: Dale Shipp to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 30 2022 01:02:00

On 09-30-22 05:18, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Why not Trump <=-

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

I have no doubt that he will be charged, but also that he will use any delaying technique he can invent.

i doubt hunter will be charged or hillary charged, or biden charged either.... even though there is mountains of evidence against them all

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Charles Blackburn
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Welcome to the echo. FYI, you posted this using your Z21 FSXnet address. This is a FIDO echo so you should be using a Z1 address based on your location
in the USA.

You can netmail me at 618:250/1 or 1:2320/105 if you need assistance
getting FIDO set up. I think you also have my email address. :)

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Hello Dale,

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

I have no doubt that he will be charged, but also that he will use any delaying technique he can invent.

Richard Nixon was never charged with any crime.
But he was president, and could make a deal with
a member of congress to grant him a pardon upon
resigning the presidency. Donald Trump no longer
has the luxury. And found out, too late, that his
second in command could not be trusted.

So now he is back at square one. Getting the wife
of a Supreme Court Justice to tell the J6 Committee
that the presidential election was stolen ...

For Life,
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Hello Charles,

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that

Trump

illegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did
something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting

people

pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name

of

the game since day 1.

how was it illegally obtained?

That was never the question.

he was POTUS at the time and was allowed to have them,

The documents do not belong to him, and never did. Why he chose
not to return them after having been requested to do so is the issue.

not to mention the fact that the fbi/doj/national records offices have had over 6 months TO GO GET THE DAMN THINGS out of mar-a-lago.

Trump was requested to return the documents in a timely manner.
Trump did not abide by that request, and basically did nothing.
So a legal search was done by the FBI and those documents were
found and retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. Except fot those documents
that could not be found.

but they didnt... i wonder why.

Trump's refusal to return the documents in a timely manner is an
issue. Was his refusal to return those documents illegal? If so, why
was he not charged with a crime?

What is in those documents is classified information -- some at
levels above Top Secret. That is all any one of us

which could potentially have been de-classifed when he was in office.

Not by Trump, given the steps necessary to have done so.
Since those classified documents had never been declassified,
that means Trump told the news media a bald-faced lie.

needs to know. What Trump did was dangerous and against the law.

prove it. with undeniable and public record and fact and not just heresay

Lying under oath is a crime. But lying to the news media can be
a fun activity. As well as lying to MAGA Republicans, who seem to
enjoy that sort of thing.

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

not to mention the shit ton of classified crap that other presidents (on both sides) have taken

Every president has his own CYA policy.
But once a president leaves office, that CYA policy no longer applies.
Richard Nixon should have remembered that.
But no.
He had to hang on to those tapes ...

(amongst other people)

Mike Pence can no longer save Donald Trump ...

For Life,
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Re: Why not Trump
By: Lee Lofaso to Charles Blackburn on Sat Oct 01 2022 03:26:39

Nobody has addressed the issue of what's in those documents that
Trumpillegally obtained, but everyone has enthusiasm about "Trump did
something that jeopardized our national security!" We're getting
peoople pumped-up about how "dangerous" Trump is, which has been the name
of the game since day 1.

how was it illegally obtained?

That was never the question.

so again.... how was it illegally obtained then "BY YOUR QUOTE"

he was POTUS at the time and was allowed to have them,

The documents do not belong to him, and never did. Why he chose
not to return them after having been requested to do so is the issue.

never said they belonged to him although now you bring it up, what about the attorney/client priviledged
stuff, his passports, PRIVATE financial records that WERE ILLEGALLY obtained BY THE FBI

not to mention the fact that the fbi/doj/national records offices have had over 6 months TO GO GET THE DAMN THINGS out
of mar-a-lago.

Trump was requested to return the documents in a timely manner.
Trump did not abide by that request, and basically did nothing.

he was asked to put them in a secure place for them to be picked up. which he did
the govt/NRO et al NEVER picked them up, yet that's his problem?

So a legal search was done by the FBI and those documents were
found and retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. Except fot those documents
that could not be found.

legal? you mean by lying on an affadavit (AGAIN)?

but they didnt... i wonder why.

Trump's refusal to return the documents in a timely manner is an
issue. Was his refusal to return those documents illegal? If so, why
was he not charged with a crime?

he never refused to turn them over... only the attorney client or otherwised priviledge documents.
by your logic, why did the NRO/FBI etc not pick up the documents THEY REQUESTED be stored in a
secure place which they were. goes towo ways here. they had MULTIPLE opportunities to pick them up... like at least 3 months worth of opportunities, yet they didnt.

What is in those documents is classified information -- some at
levels above Top Secret. That is all any one of us

which could potentially have been de-classifed when he was in office.

Not by Trump, given the steps necessary to have done so.
Since those classified documents had never been declassified,
that means Trump told the news media a bald-faced lie.

yes by trump... while he was in office he could have declassified them.

needs to know. What Trump did was dangerous and against the law.

prove it. with undeniable and public record and fact and not just heresay

Lying under oath is a crime. But lying to the news media can be
a fun activity. As well as lying to MAGA Republicans, who seem to
enjoy that sort of thing.

you mean like hillary, and others did?

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

not to mention the shit ton of classified crap that other presidents (on both sides) have taken

(amongst other people)

Mike Pence can no longer save Donald Trump ...

i dont see why he would have done in the first place anyway..

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Re: Re: Why not Trump
By: Mike Powell to CHARLES BLACKBURN on Fri Sep 30 2022 16:49:00

Charles Blackburn
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Welcome to the echo. FYI, you posted this using your Z21 FSXnet address. This is a FIDO echo so you should be using a Z1
address based on your location
in the USA.

You can netmail me at 618:250/1 or 1:2320/105 if you need assistance getting FIDO set up. I think you also have my email address. :)

oops.... thanks for pointing this out... i didnt know .... i would have assumed that synchronet would have picked the correct address to post from.

let me know if this worked... I did send you and email just in case. i think i fixed it though.

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never said they belonged to him

This may come as a surprise to you, but in some parts of the world, taking something that does not belong to you *is* actually a crime. It's called theft.


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Hello Charles,

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

I have no doubt that he will be charged, but also that he will use any
delaying technique he can invent.

i doubt hunter will be charged or hillary charged,

Neither Clinton nor Biden has ever been charged of any crime.

In regards to her emails, Hillary Clinton was cleared of any
wrongdoing by the FBI Director, James Comey, who said what she
did was stupid but not criminal.

In regards to some mysterious laptop that was found at some computer
repair shop, there are lots of laptops around the world that can be
claimed as belonging to Hunter Biden. But does that mean that any of
those laptops are actually his, or that he had actually used any of
them?

or biden charged either....

Why should Joe Biden be charged with a crime?

even though there is mountains of evidence against them all

Funny nobody has seen any evidence supporting any of your claims.

Charles Blackburn
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All participants are welcome to fully participate in this echo,
as it is owned by ALL participants.

No single participant is recognized as "moderator" of this echo.
That includes Mike Powell, who only includes those he chooses to
allow to use his board as participants. If you like censorship,
only reading what Mike wants you to read, that is the way to go.
But if you like freedom, learn to use your middle finger as it
was always meant to be.

I love my middle finger.

One for the left, and the other for the right.

Kind of neat. :)

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On 09-30-22 12:50, Charles Blackburn <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Why not Trump <=-

how was it illegally obtained? he was POTUS at the time and was
allowed to have them,

But he has not been POTUS for a year and a half, and is no longer
allowed to have them.

not to mention the fact that the
fbi/doj/national records offices have had over 6 months TO
GO GET THE DAMN THINGS out of mar-a-lago.

but they didnt... i wonder why.

They tried, but he stalled, then he gave some, then he said there were
no more there -- even when there were.

What is in those documents is classified information -
- some at levels above Top Secret. That is all any one of
us

which could potentially have been de-classifed when he was in office.

Could have been perhaps, but were not. They were still marked as being classified.

needs to know. What Trump did was dangerous and against the law.

prove it. with undeniable and public record and fact and not just
heresay

The FBI inventory shows what was taken under search warrent. The fact
that they were in Trump's possession was against the law. The fact that
they were in an unsecure area where people with no clearance had access
formed a clear violation and was dangerous.

If what Trump did was so dangerous, and against the law, then
why wasn't he charged with a crime? Oh, that's right. No evidence.

not to mention the shit ton of classified crap that other
presidents (on both sides) have taken

Really? Which Presidents did that?

Dale Shipp
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On 09-30-22 12:54, Charles Blackburn <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

i doubt hunter will be charged or hillary charged, or
biden charged either.... even though there is mountains of
evidence against them all

Name the evidence against any of them. Not hearsay or speculation but
real criminal actions.

Dale Shipp
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Re: Re: Why not Trump
By: Dale Shipp to Charles Blackburn on Sun Oct 02 2022 01:21:02

On 09-30-22 12:54, Charles Blackburn <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

i doubt hunter will be charged or hillary charged, or
biden charged either.... even though there is mountains of
evidence against them all

Name the evidence against any of them. Not hearsay or speculation but
real criminal actions.

ok with regards to hunter.... i guess that everyone you know has pictures of him with hookers while doing blow?

or emails of him with oil/gas companies doing shady deals "with the big man" which has been proven to be referring to old man joe

or the fact that hunter calls his dad a paedo in voice mails amongst other things.

as far as hillary, dereliction of duty in benghazi for one, james comy "cleared" her because his excuse is "she didnt have the intent" but where is intent a clearing factor... (an analogy) sorry officer, i didnt mean to hit that kid, it wasn't my intent to hit them. sure then just go along your way...

even comy admitted shit she did, emails on an unclassified server that's in her closet... amongst other things but of course, he's a raving loonie and under heer paybucket anyway.... not to mention the spying on an opponents campaign, which is illegal..... and dare i say... the dossier that she paid for which was all (excuse the pun) trumped up.

yea sure.. this is all fact, just go search up on CNN or the WaPo.

i ain't doing your homework for you.... we are all entitled to spout what we beleive, just the lefties like bullshit more

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Hello Dale,

i doubt hunter will be charged or hillary charged, or
biden charged either.... even though there is mountains of
evidence against them all

Name the evidence against any of them. Not hearsay or speculation but real criminal actions.

Stupidity is not a crime. That is what James Comey said, calling
Hillary a "stupid woman." Hillary even agreed with him. But never
apologized for who she was, or what she did.

Quite the opposite of Donald Trump, who calls himself a "stable
genius." And we all know what he called women like Hillary Clinton.

For Life,
Lee

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On 10-02-22 08:55, Charles Blackburn <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Why not Trump <=-

i ain't doing your homework for you.... we are all entitled to spout
what we beleive, just the lefties like bullshit more

Yes, you are entitled to spout what ever you believe. But if you expect
to have any credibility, what you say should fit with facts and not be
just regurgitated conspiracy garbage.

Dale Shipp
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On 01 Oct 2022, Charles Blackburn said the following...

Not by Trump, given the steps necessary to have done so.
Since those classified documents had never been declassified,
that means Trump told the news media a bald-faced lie.

yes by trump... while he was in office he could have declassified them.

You see Charles, there is a long ongoing belief within these democratic and liberal minds alike that Trump did something wrong.
Even though he is not guilty of what he has been accused of.
However these sycophants within Democratic Party are trying to seize this as an opportunity to eliminate him on that basis.

Why is beyond obvious.

They see this "fussing over these documents" as their last opportunity,
because it was the hearings on January 6th that was meant to stop the
political heartbeat of DJT, but history will determine that this kangaroo commission and these band of zealots are rotten and because they are
indeed rotten they should be expelled and excommunicated from Washington.
I would even suggest that it should be considered to start the process to dissolve the Democratic Party.
Just look at what these treasonous snakes have done within their quest and thirst for power.

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