Yea I don't want just a couple dopes from Securitas, I want
real armed police officers. It's gonna be expensive, but
it's either that or it's surrender to
the school shooters.
It would help if we could ban the AR style rifles that are the weapons
of choice for mass murder (and not much else).
On 04-06-23 14:37, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Armed Teachers <=-
It would help if we could ban the AR style rifles that are the weapons
of choice for mass murder (and not much else).
Many people own AR style rifles that never commit murder, so they must have some other use for them aside from "not much else."
I also changed the subject as I have no idea what this message thread
has to do with Peter Frampton. ;)
Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-
It would help if we could ban the AR style rifles that are the weapons
of choice for mass murder (and not much else).
Many people own AR style rifles that never commit murder, so they must have some other use for them aside from "not much else."
Many people own AR style rifles that never commit murder, so they must have some other use for them aside from "not much else."
You are right, but I'd like to hear what those "other uses" are. I'd
think that they are useless for hunting since they make such a mess of whatever they hit. IMO, it must be mostly an ego thing, but prove me
wrong.
Yea I don't want just a couple dopes from Securitas, I want
real armed police officers. It's gonna be expensive, but
it's either that or it's surrender to
the school shooters.
It would help if we could ban the AR style rifles that are the weapons
of choice for mass murder (and not much else).
Many people own AR style rifles that never commit murder, so they must have
some other use for them aside from "not much else."
I also changed the subject as I have no idea what this message thread has to
do with Peter Frampton. ;)
It would help if we could ban the AR style rifles that are the weapons
of choice for mass murder (and not much else).
Many people own AR style rifles that never commit murder, so they must
have some other use for them aside from "not much else."
You are right, but I'd like to hear what those "other uses" are.
I'd think that they are useless for hunting since they make such a mess of whatever they hit.
IMO, it must be mostly an ego thing, but prove me wrong.
I also changed the subject as I have no idea what this message MP>threadhas to do with Peter Frampton. ;)
Well done.
It has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people are killed
by mass shootings.
On 04-10-23 10:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Frampton Comes Alive <=-
We could do the same thing with AR15s. They're deadly,
we'll ban them, and they'll still kill people.
It has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people are killed by mass shootings.
Proven by hypothetical statistics?
How about tougher security in schools? Or how about home schooling?
Tougher security in schools would help, but it would come at a cost.
Wouldn't you agree that we can afford it? If there's money
for climate change, and there's money for women's rights in
Pakistan, then I think it's safe to assume that there's
enough money for school security as well.
Home schooling is not for everyone. Can you teach your children basic
The quality of a home schooling education is less important
On 04-10-23 10:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Frampton Comes Alive <=-
We could do the same thing with AR15s. They're deadly,
we'll ban them, and they'll still kill people.
It has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people are kill
by mass shootings.
Proven by hypothetical statistics?
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had a
ban on Ar15 type weapons and mass shootings went down until the Republicans failed to renew the law after ten years. At that time the mass shootings went back up -- reaching the place today where there are often more than one such each day. There was a mass shooting in Australia. They banned the AR15 guns (and maybe more) and no more mass shootings to speak of.
It has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people are kil by mass shootings.
Proven by hypothetical statistics?
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had a
Australia. They banned the AR15 guns (and maybe more) and no more mass shootings to speak of.
Pakistan, then I think it's safe to assume that there's
enough money for school security as well.
You assume without knowing the cost or effectiveness of various plans
that have been floated.
iIt has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people are
iby mass shootings.
Proven by hypothetical statistics?
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had a
What about when they banned opioids? Has the # of overdose deaths decreased
e the advent of the opioids ban? I doubt it!
It has been proven that if they are banned, then fewer people
arei
by mass shootings.
Proven by hypothetical statistics?
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had
a
What about when they banned opioids? Has the # of overdose deathsi
decreased
e the advent of the opioids ban? I doubt it!
The key to his whole statement is mass "shootings."
On 04-15-23 09:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had a
What about when they banned opioids? Has the # of overdose
deaths decreased since the advent of the opioids ban? I
doubt it!
Australia. They banned the AR15 guns (and maybe more) and no more mass shootings to speak of.
It's a sporadic thing. I don't wish it on the Australian
kids, but it's bound to happen again unless they tighten
the security in their schools.
As for mass killings, there were no more. Not one in the past 22 years.
On 04-16-23 07:23, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
As for mass killings, there were no more. Not one in the past 22 years.
How do they treat their mentally ill? I am guessing they are less
likely to let them roam free because locking them up is mean/cost too
much money.
Nothing hypothetical about it. Real world observation. The USA had a
What about when they banned opioids? Has the # of overdose
deaths decreased since the advent of the opioids ban? I
doubt it!
That is a different topic. Please try to keep in focus. Also, the last
I heard, opioids have not been banned. I take such prescriptions regularly.
So what happened after the assault-weapon ban? Well therein lies the
other half of the story twist noted above: Nothing.
Nothing, that is, in a good way.
Australian independence didn't end. Tyranny didn't come. Australians
still hunted and explored and big-wave surfed to their hearts' content. Their economy didn't crash; Invaders never arrived. Violence, in many forms, went down across the country, not up. Somehow, lawmakers on
either side of the gun debate managed to get along and legislate.
As for mass killings, there were no more. Not one in the past 22 years.
[end of quote. You can read the entire article at the web site above]
How do they treat their mentally ill? I am guessing they are less likely to let them roam free because locking them up is mean/cost too much money.
Plus it would be impossible to even know all of the people with some
sort of mental problem. IMO, the truly mentally ill are not the people
who are doing the mass shootings in the USA. They are people with some
sort of problem / grudge / disorder that might be called a mental
problem but usually not even noticed by those closest to them as being serious enough to result in a mass shooting except in retrospect after
the fact.
In Australia, the similar people don't have access to AR15 type of
automatic weapons to carry out their delusional vendetta / suicide. A
hand gun with a limited magazine cannot do the carnage that can be done
with an AR15 and multiple 30 bullet magazines.
On 04-17-23 15:53, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I disagree. In a lot of cases, the persons are described by others,
after the fact of course, as someone with issues, but they are often already known to law enforcement because of said issues.
For example, both the kid who shot up the high school in Florida, and
the kid who shot up the grocery in upstate NY, were either known to
local law enforcement or the FBI.
In Australia, the similar people don't have access to AR15 type of
automatic weapons to carry out their delusional vendetta / suicide. A
hand gun with a limited magazine cannot do the carnage that can be done
with an AR15 and multiple 30 bullet magazines.
That last bit is not true. In 2007, the Virgina Tech shooter used two pistols to kill 33 (including himself) and wound another 23. There are not that many mass shooters who can claim such numbers.
One of his two pistols was a Walther P-22 which, as the name suggests,
is a .22 pistol. A year later, another mass shooter (in Finland) used
a Walther P-22 (and only that pistol) to kill 10 and then himself.
That was the second mass school shooting in Finland in a little over a year. The first perpetrator also used a .22 pistol. He killed 8
before shooting himself.
Australia is also not immune to mass killings. After the shooting you refer to, they do indeed have no more "assault weapon" mass shootings,
but they still have had mass-shootings, mass-stabbings, mass-bashings, mass-vehicular-homicides, and at least three mass-arson killings (that killed 15, 10, and 11).
As I told Aaron in another message, you are not going to stop people
who want to kill from not killing by taking their guns.
Dale Shipp wrote to Mike Powell <=-
On 04-17-23 15:53, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I disagree. In a lot of cases, the persons are described by others,
after the fact of course, as someone with issues, but they are often already known to law enforcement because of said issues.
For example, both the kid who shot up the high school in Florida, and
the kid who shot up the grocery in upstate NY, were either known to
local law enforcement or the FBI.
But, none of the people who knew of the "issues" did anything to stop
the soon-to-be shooter.
In Australia, the similar people don't have access to AR15 type of
automatic weapons to carry out their delusional vendetta / suicide. A
hand gun with a limited magazine cannot do the carnage that can be done
with an AR15 and multiple 30 bullet magazines.
That last bit is not true. In 2007, the Virgina Tech shooter used two pistols to kill 33 (including himself) and wound another 23. There are not that many mass shooters who can claim such numbers.
I recall the Virginia Tech shooting. As I recall, the shooter was shooting from a concealed position in a tower. It took some time to identify where the shots were coming from and to get someone up there.
I also thought that he was using a rifle. I would not have thought
that he could have been so accurate using a pistol at that distance.
One of his two pistols was a Walther P-22 which, as the name suggests,
is a .22 pistol. A year later, another mass shooter (in Finland) used
a Walther P-22 (and only that pistol) to kill 10 and then himself.
That was the second mass school shooting in Finland in a little over a year. The first perpetrator also used a .22 pistol. He killed 8
before shooting himself.
In each case, I stand by my statement, with the additional caveat of
the amount of time taken. An AR-15 can do a lot more carnage in a
short time than a shooter with a pistol could do.
Australia is also not immune to mass killings. After the shooting you refer to, they do indeed have no more "assault weapon" mass shootings,
but they still have had mass-shootings, mass-stabbings, mass-bashings, mass-vehicular-homicides, and at least three mass-arson killings (that killed 15, 10, and 11).
Not immune, but it certainly seems from the reporting that they were greatly reduced.
As the adage says, "don't let perfect get in the way of good".
As I told Aaron in another message, you are not going to stop people
who want to kill from not killing by taking their guns.
True -- but what I am lobbying for is not taking away their guns. It
is removing military style automatic weapons from readily available
public consumption.
Dale Shipp wrote to Mike Powell <=-
On 04-17-23 15:53, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I disagree. In a lot of cases, the persons are described by others,
after the fact of course, as someone with issues, but they are often already known to law enforcement because of said issues.
For example, both the kid who shot up the high school in Florida, and
the kid who shot up the grocery in upstate NY, were either known to
local law enforcement or the FBI.
But, none of the people who knew of the "issues" did anything to stop
the soon-to-be shooter.
In Australia, the similar people don't have access to AR15 type of
automatic weapons to carry out their delusional vendetta / suicide. A
hand gun with a limited magazine cannot do the carnage that can be done
with an AR15 and multiple 30 bullet magazines.
That last bit is not true. In 2007, the Virgina Tech shooter used two pistols to kill 33 (including himself) and wound another 23. There are not that many mass shooters who can claim such numbers.
I recall the Virginia Tech shooting. As I recall, the shooter was shooting from a concealed position in a tower. It took some time to identify where the shots were coming from and to get someone up there.
I also thought that he was using a rifle. I would not have thought
that he could have been so accurate using a pistol at that distance.
One of his two pistols was a Walther P-22 which, as the name suggests,
is a .22 pistol. A year later, another mass shooter (in Finland) used
a Walther P-22 (and only that pistol) to kill 10 and then himself.
That was the second mass school shooting in Finland in a little over a year. The first perpetrator also used a .22 pistol. He killed 8
before shooting himself.
In each case, I stand by my statement, with the additional caveat of
the amount of time taken. An AR-15 can do a lot more carnage in a
short time than a shooter with a pistol could do.
Australia is also not immune to mass killings. After the shooting you refer to, they do indeed have no more "assault weapon" mass shootings,
but they still have had mass-shootings, mass-stabbings, mass-bashings, mass-vehicular-homicides, and at least three mass-arson killings (that killed 15, 10, and 11).
Not immune, but it certainly seems from the reporting that they were greatly reduced.
As the adage says, "don't let perfect get in the way of good".
As I told Aaron in another message, you are not going to stop people
who want to kill from not killing by taking their guns.
True -- but what I am lobbying for is not taking away their guns. It
is removing military style automatic weapons from readily available
public consumption.
For example, both the kid who shot up the high school in Florida, and the kid who shot up the grocery in upstate NY, were either known to local law enforcement or the FBI.
But, none of the people who knew of the "issues" did anything to stop
the soon-to-be shooter.
That last bit is not true. In 2007, the Virgina Tech shooter used two pistols to kill 33 (including himself) and wound another 23. There are not that many mass shooters who can claim such numbers.
I recall the Virginia Tech shooting. As I recall, the shooter was
shooting from a concealed position in a tower. It took some time to
identify where the shots were coming from and to get someone up there.
I also thought that he was using a rifle. I would not have thought that
he could have been so accurate using a pistol at that distance.
In each case, I stand by my statement, with the additional caveat of the amount of time taken. An AR-15 can do a lot more carnage in a short
time than a shooter with a pistol could do.
Not immune, but it certainly seems from the reporting that they were
greatly reduced.
As the adage says, "don't let perfect get in the way of good".
I have a Ruger 10/22, extremely popular .22, that I can make look like one of those scary "Military Style" weapons. It doesn't make it "Military Grade" though. Much like my AR, it's just a "scary looking" semi-auto....
On 04-18-23 10:03, Donald <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I have a Ruger 10/22, extremely popular .22, that I can make look like
one of those scary "Military Style" weapons. It doesn't make it
"Military Grade" though. Much like my AR, it's just a "scary looking" semi-auto....
I have a Ruger 10/22, extremely popular .22, that I can make look like one of those scary "Military Style" weapons. It doesn't make it "Military Grade" though. Much like my AR, it's just a "scary looking" semi-auto....
No 22 can do the sort of carnage such as that done by an AR-15 using
hollow point bullets. In the Texas school shooting, the bodies of the children were so destroyed that for some identification could not be
made by usual means. The bodies looked like they had been put through a
wood chipper.
Dale Shipp wrote to Donald <=-
On 04-18-23 10:03, Donald <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I have a Ruger 10/22, extremely popular .22, that I can make look like
one of those scary "Military Style" weapons. It doesn't make it
"Military Grade" though. Much like my AR, it's just a "scary looking" semi-auto....
No 22 can do the sort of carnage such as that done by an AR-15 using hollow point bullets. In the Texas school shooting, the bodies of the children were so destroyed that for some identification could not be
made by usual means. The bodies looked like they had been put through
a wood chipper.
No 22 can do the sort of carnage such as that done by an AR-15 using
hollow point bullets.
Dead is dead, and a .22 can certainly do that.
Nobody is calling for a ban on a .22 you stupid fuck.
On 04-19-23 23:02, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Guns <=-
Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word. Chicago.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
Losing your temper like this will not serve you well.
Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word. Chicago.
Hello Mike,
No 22 can do the sort of carnage such as that done by an AR-15 using
hollow point bullets.
[..]
Dead is dead, and a .22 can certainly do that.
Nobody is calling for a ban on a .22 you stupid fuck.
Losing your temper like this will not serve you well.
Dead is dead, and a .22 can certainly do that.
Nobody is calling for a ban on a .22 you stupid fuck.
AR-15 is a .22 ... .226
Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word. Chicago.
Gun Control does work, and I can prove it one word -- Australia.
Hello Dale,
Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word. Chicago.
Gun Control does work, and I can prove it one word -- Australia.
Let's not forget about New Zealand. And Canada.
Which both did the same as Australia.
Chicago.Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word.
Gun Control does work, and I can prove it one word -- Australia.
Let's not forget about New Zealand. And Canada.
Which both did the same as Australia.
Nope... I have guns... both hand guns and rifles ... you just can't buy a new hand gun or give what handgun you have to anyone else.
Nobody is calling for a ban on a .22 you stupid fuck.
Losing your temper like this will not serve you well.
Mike has point dead is dead.
Gun Control does not work and I can prove it in one word. Chicago.
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