• Property Value

    From IB Joe@1:342/200 to All on Wed Sep 27 10:00:10 2023
    New front with the lawfare against Trump... New York Judge says Trump has inflated property values to get loans on properties at values that he might not have gotten if he had not inflated the value of the properties...

    I have a real estate license in Florida and Canada.... and from my experience I think this judge is out of her mind.

    Here's the Judges problem.... Both sides in the transaction are represented... The bank usually does not take the seller/owners word on the value of the property... they get it appraised and or have a CMA (Current Market Analysis) done on it... Now, this is simple if you are selling your home... if you have properties that Trump has the bank will have a team of accountants, lawyers and other experts to put a value on a property... A property has a subjective component to it... The value of a property is really what a person wants to sell it at and an other person agrees to pay that price...

    If the bank is not willing to finance the property based on what they value the property at... then so be it... Buyer can pay cash or meet the banks value by coming up with a larger down payment.

    I personally think there is a real estate bubble in the US that is going to burst in the months ahead.... So, there are about to be a bunch of properties out there that are going to have negative equity... That is not the buyers fault... or the bank's fault... or the sellers fault... It's a free market and some times the subjective value of real estate changes...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Wed Sep 27 11:47:04 2023
    I personally think there is a real estate bubble in the US that is going to burst in the months ahead.... So, there are about to be a bunch of properties out there that are going to have negative equity... That is not the buyers fault... or the bank's fault... or the sellers fault... It's a free market and some times the subjective value of real estate changes...

    This is a distraction to get voters minds off the Biden corruption, although I don't think it's going to work.

    Biden's corruption is a lot more noticeable than Trump's accounting error. Xi will not want to invest China's money in electing Joe again. Although Joe's been good to China, and China's been really good to Joe, this time around Xi will replace Joe with someone who can hide their corruption better.

    (A smart guy like Xi ain't gonna make the same mistake 2 times.)

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 27 12:50:56 2023
    On 27 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    This is a distraction to get voters minds off the Biden corruption, although I don't think it's going to work.

    Biden's corruption is a lot more noticeable than Trump's accounting
    error. Xi will not want to invest China's money in electing Joe again. Although Joe's been good to China, and China's been really good to Joe, this time around Xi will replace Joe with someone who can hide their corruption better.

    (A smart guy like Xi ain't gonna make the same mistake 2 times.)


    These are not accounting errors.... Lat time they wanted to take him down it was that his evaluations were too high for tax reason... depreciation for tax purposes work better if if the properties values were higher... they found out they were lower and Trump may not have gotten the tax breaks he deserved.

    It's the bank's job to determine if the market value of a property is real or not...

    I think Biden is being thrown under the Bus... He's at the end ... everyday there is bad news... He'll either have to step down or he'll be impeached.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Wed Sep 27 21:14:57 2023
    These are not accounting errors.... Lat time they wanted to take him
    down it was that his evaluations were too high for tax reason... depreciation for tax purposes work better if if the properties values
    were higher... they found out they were lower and Trump may not have gotten the tax breaks he deserved.

    If it's true, then I guess he can pay up now. But at least Trump's crimes occurred while he was off the clock, unlike Biden.

    I think Biden is being thrown under the Bus... He's at the end ... everyday there is bad news... He'll either have to step down or he'll be impeached.

    It sounds like a bunch of bad news, but I still can't find a single leftist who has changed their mind about him.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 28 07:55:31 2023
    IB Joe wrote to All <=-

    New front with the lawfare against Trump... New York Judge says Trump
    has inflated property values to get loans on properties at values that
    he might not have gotten if he had not inflated the value of the properties...

    I have a real estate license in Florida and Canada.... and from my experience I think this judge is out of her mind.

    Oh, obviously. This is a clear cut case of a judge being political. She should be removed from the bench immediately and never allowed back.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 28 07:55:31 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    This is a distraction to get voters minds off the Biden corruption,

    And I think this is the best explanation.

    Anyone else notice that this "Trump indictment" came out at the same time that they found yet even more evidence of Biden corruption?


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 28 06:42:00 2023
    On 27 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    These are not accounting errors.... Lat time they wanted to take him down it was that his evaluations were too high for tax reason... depreciation for tax purposes work better if if the properties values were higher... they found out they were lower and Trump may not have gotten the tax breaks he deserved.

    If it's true, then I guess he can pay up now. But at least Trump's crimes occurred while he was off the clock, unlike Biden.


    It might have been the way I was explaining things... I am not a lawyer so I don't know about this law or that.... I do know some things about taxes... not an accountant... I was a financial advisor for 25 years and I did some of my clients taxes....

    Here we go... A while back when Trump's taxes were not public some prosecutor in NY was saying that Trump undervalued his properties to game the system on his tax returns...

    As soon as I heard this I knew this was not so... I knew this to be so based on what they said... I'll explain in a second.... I was shocked because I thought a prosecutor would have explored the reality of what he just said... and the person reporting the news never even questioned it...

    Here's the reality of what was said.... When you own property that you rent out as a source of income you can depreciate the property... Sometimes it depends on the kind of asset you want to depreciate... the percentage can very... LETS JUST SAY... 10%... So if you own a property and it's worth $100,000.00, rental property, you could depreciate you property $10,000.00...

    The prosecutor at the time was saying Trump intensionally lowered the property values to game the system.... So, in the above example Trump says his property value is $50,000.00 .... So... 10% of $50,000.00 is $5,000.00... For those who have a hard time with math... $10,000.00 is more than $5,000.00. It would not be in Trumps advantage to say his properties were valued less... for tax purposes.

    Once Nancy Peloci released Trumps taxes they stopped talking about it...

    What is normally done with your tax returns if the IRS has an issue... They audit your return... They'll notify you of that audit and ask for payment if you owe any money.... What you can do... Is explain your position.. show receipts... whatever... there maybe a back and forth... but you may or may not end up owing money...

    Please note... No prosecutor in NY will contact you.. You'll get a reassessment and have an opportunity to defend your position. There is no need to have 87,000 armed agents working for the IRS when they've been using letters just fine for the last 100 years.

    Now that indictments and OMG mugshots have not been working they are back to the Tax thing... Now they are saying the opposite... Trump has over valued his properties to get loans that he shouldn't have got...

    And here's the problem with this... There are no victims... No banks are saying Trump defaulted on a fraudulent loan... He's paid back his loans and apparently what he owes on the properties he has is low.... Debt to Equity ratio...

    There you go... back to Taxes and whatnot because the indictments aren't working.


    I think Biden is being thrown under the Bus... He's at the end ... everyday there is bad news... He'll either have to step down or he'll impeached.

    It sounds like a bunch of bad news, but I still can't find a single leftist who has changed their mind about him.


    The elitist do not want to give up the power they have... Joe was a useful idiot...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 28 06:43:27 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, Ron L. said the following...


    I have a real estate license in Florida and Canada.... and from my experience I think this judge is out of her mind.

    Oh, obviously. This is a clear cut case of a judge being political. She should be removed from the bench immediately and never allowed back.


    I think they are back to Taxes and whatnot because the indictment thingy didn't work...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 28 07:30:05 2023
    Now that indictments and OMG mugshots have not been working they are
    back to the Tax thing... Now they are saying the opposite... Trump has over valued his properties to get loans that he shouldn't have got...

    And here's the problem with this... There are no victims... No banks are saying Trump defaulted on a fraudulent loan... He's paid back his loans and apparently what he owes on the properties he has is low.... Debt to Equity ratio...

    I get it that there's no victim. The bank is making money from the loan. But the skank wants everyone to walk away with the thought that "Trump lied about something involving money," and she wants that to overshadow Biden abusing his power as Vice President. She's a team player.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 28 07:42:47 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I get it that there's no victim. The bank is making money from the loan. But the skank wants everyone to walk away with the thought that "Trump lied about something involving money," and she wants that to overshadow Biden abusing his power as Vice President. She's a team player.


    This is crazy... I cannot wait until the Republicans gain power back and they weaponize system against the elites...

    JK, but we need to cleans the deep state out and get the bureaucracy working for the people...

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Sep 28 09:14:00 2023
    This is a distraction to get voters minds off the Biden corruption, although I
    on't think it's going to work.

    The only voters whose minds are on any Biden corruption are voters who are
    very unlikely to vote for Biden to begin with.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Thu Sep 28 09:23:00 2023
    Please note... No prosecutor in NY will contact you.. You'll get a reassessmen
    and have an opportunity to defend your position. There is no need to have 87,
    0 armed agents working for the IRS when they've been using letters just fine f
    the last 100 years.

    That is what they do here with property taxes. With state individual
    income, they will bill you for the taxes on whatever was underreported. It won't go to court unless you don't pay (for a long period of time), you protest, or you file suit.

    Now that indictments and OMG mugshots have not been working they are back to t
    Tax thing... Now they are saying the opposite... Trump has over valued his p
    perties to get loans that he shouldn't have got...

    True, they are claiming the opposite of before.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 28 09:49:52 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    That is what they do here with property taxes. With state individual income, they will bill you for the taxes on whatever was underreported. It won't go to court unless you don't pay (for a long period of time),
    you protest, or you file suit.


    Each state is different... Property tax valuations are done by the county... and they have different ways to asses properties for tax purposes... BTW,
    in Florida you can have 2 identical houses valued at the same identical price and they pay different property taxes... Interesting... If the person in house "A" has owned that house for 45 years... paid $25,000.00 when they bought it... Florida law states that your tax will never be more than 3%... If the person in house "B" just bought the house for $350,000.00 his taxes will be based on that price... or close to it... Little old lady next door pays $300.00 year while you pay that a month..

    In Florida you can challenge what your house is valued at... but the problem is with that... if they come back with a higher assessment you have to pay the higher assessment...

    My spidy sense are tingling and I see a huge correction in the real estate market... Get your popcorn because it's going to get exciting!!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 28 23:07:14 2023
    Hello Joe,

    New front with the lawfare against Trump... New York Judge says Trump has inflated property values to get loans on properties at values that he might
    not have gotten if he had not inflated the value of the properties...

    Trump's income tax returns show what he has done. The judge merely
    confirmed the obvious.

    I have a real estate license in Florida and Canada....

    I have a real estate license in the Louisiana swamp ...

    and from my experience I think this judge is out of her mind.

    So am I. And yes, before you answer, there is a bridge over the
    Louisiana swamp. Four lanes. Two lanes in each direction. And when
    there is a wreck, it takes hours to clean up. Sometimes by boat.

    Here's the Judges problem....

    There are no swamps in New York. And since the Brooklyn Bridge
    has already been sold (many times) there are no longer any more
    bridges for sale. So she is out of luck.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 28 23:07:20 2023
    Hwllo Joe,

    These are not accounting errors....

    Most deceptions are deliberate. Not all. But most.

    Lat time they wanted to take him down it was that his evaluations were too high for tax reason...

    Most estimates are either too high or too low. It is the nature
    of the game. Especially when it comes to taxes.

    depreciation for tax purposes work better if if the properties values were higher...

    That depends on the property(s).

    they found out they were lower and Trump may not have gotten the tax breaks
    he deserved.

    In Trump's case, prosecutors found his estimates were far lower
    than what the properties were worth.

    It's the bank's job to determine if the market value of a property is real or not...

    It is the assessor's job to determine what the fair market value
    of a property is. It is the individual's responsibility to pay taxes
    owed on property owned, based on assessed value.

    Trump's income tax returns are a treasure trove of info ...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 28 23:07:26 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    These are not accounting errors.... Lat time they wanted to take him
    down it was that his evaluations were too high for tax reason...
    depreciation for tax purposes work better if if the properties values
    were higher... they found out they were lower and Trump may not have
    gotten the tax breaks he deserved.

    If it's true, then I guess he can pay up now.

    It doen't quite work that way. But you know that. And so does Trump.

    But at least Trump's crimes occurred while he was off the clock, unlike Biden.

    We know what crimes Trump committed, given the 91 indictments he
    has receieved (to date). But what crimes has Biden committed? Please
    tell. Speaker McCarthy is begging members of his own party to let
    him know. Otherwise, his impeachment inquiry will all go to pot.

    I think Biden is being thrown under the Bus... He's at the end ...
    everyday there is bad news... He'll either have to step down or IJ>he'll
    be impeached.

    It sounds like a bunch of bad news, but I still can't find a single leftist
    who has changed their mind about him.

    Where is your evidence to impeach Biden? Members of the House are
    unable to find any. And Speaker McCarthy has given up trying to find
    what does not exist. So please tell. The world is waiting ...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 28 18:42:47 2023
    lied about something involving money," and she wants that to overshad Biden abusing his power as Vice President. She's a team player.


    This is crazy... I cannot wait until the Republicans gain power back and they weaponize system against the elites...

    If you want that to happen, 1st we must cleanse the Republican party. Look at how useless and feeble our Republican majority congress is; they miraculously became the majority in the house almost 1 year ago already, and still, nada.

    We need someone like Trump to repair the GOP first, then we'll see about fixing those Democrat slimeballs.

    JK, but we need to cleans the deep state out and get the bureaucracy working for the people...

    How can we though? The Democrats have installed far left lunatics in the federal courts. (Team players!) We need some team players. Where can we find some? Rona's not finding them for us.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 28 18:55:02 2023
    This is a distraction to get voters minds off the Biden corruption, alth I
    on't think it's going to work.

    The only voters whose minds are on any Biden corruption are voters who
    are very unlikely to vote for Biden to begin with.

    You're right. Biden doesn't even need a distraction. I can't find a single leftist who's interested in his corruption scandals. But out of an abundance of caution, the puppeteers (smart elitists) are trying to replace him under the guise of "he's wonderful but just getting too old."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 28 19:28:51 2023
    We know what crimes Trump committed, given the 91 indictments he
    has receieved (to date). But what crimes has Biden committed? Please
    tell. Speaker McCarthy is begging members of his own party to let
    him know. Otherwise, his impeachment inquiry will all go to pot.

    Telling you about Biden's crimes would be as useless as telling McCarthy about Biden's crimes. No offense - not calling you "useless," just there's no point. I'm sure Gregory already told you 20x or more.

    Where is your evidence to impeach Biden? Members of the House are
    unable to find any. And Speaker McCarthy has given up trying to find
    what does not exist. So please tell. The world is waiting ...

    The evidence is in the video where he brags about withholding aid to Ukraine "unless the prosecutor is fired." Of course "members of the house are unable to find any," it's because they are team players.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 28 19:41:46 2023
    On 28 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    If you want that to happen, 1st we must cleanse the Republican party.
    Look at how useless and feeble our Republican majority congress is; they miraculously became the majority in the house almost 1 year ago already, and still, nada.

    We need someone like Trump to repair the GOP first, then we'll see about fixing those Democrat slimeballs.


    I think there's enough people waking up... Trump made a comment today that he didn't see a VP in the current debate group... Ergo... I think he's going with RFK Jr. ... RFK will brink over some of the "Normal" Democrats... It'll be something to see if that happens...

    BTW, I'm not sure Mitch will make the year never-mind run for reelection... and we can primary some of these RINOs out.


    How can we though? The Democrats have installed far left lunatics in the federal courts. (Team players!) We need some team players. Where can we find some? Rona's not finding them for us.


    Have you seen the news... some of these deep state actors are worried... Gen. Melly said he's worried about court martial if Trump gets in...

    :)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Sep 29 08:26:00 2023
    You're right. Biden doesn't even need a distraction. I can't find a single leftist who's interested in his corruption scandals. But out of an abundance o
    caution, the puppeteers (smart elitists) are trying to replace him under the g
    se of "he's wonderful but just getting too old."

    There might be a few independents in there who'd care but, yes, your
    leftist are not going to. The one thing that draws them to Biden is that
    he is "not Trump" and, as that will always be true...


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Fri Sep 29 10:56:10 2023
    I think there's enough people waking up... Trump made a comment today
    that he didn't see a VP in the current debate group... Ergo... I think he's going with RFK Jr. ... RFK will brink over some of the "Normal" Democrats... It'll be something to see if that happens...

    That sounds like a good strategy, I think. Do the brainwashed people have a history of liking RFK Jr?

    BTW, I'm not sure Mitch will make the year never-mind run for reelection... and we can primary some of these RINOs out.

    I used to be supportive of guys like Mitch based on their voting record, but it's more obvious now that voting record isn't everything; we need people who will create legislation on important matters as soon as the issues happen, or at least, as soon as they take office. Failure to do so, from now on, they're not getting my vote. I'll leave the bubble blank.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 29 12:34:17 2023
    On 29 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    That sounds like a good strategy, I think. Do the brainwashed people
    have a history of liking RFK Jr?


    The Brainwashed don't like him... But the "Normal" democrats love him...


    I used to be supportive of guys like Mitch based on their voting record, but it's more obvious now that voting record isn't everything; we need people who will create legislation on important matters as soon as the issues happen, or at least, as soon as they take office. Failure to do
    so, from now on, they're not getting my vote. I'll leave the bubble
    blank.


    Mitch did some good things while Trump was in office... Ended up being a back stabber... There is a lot of people who got into politics to enrich themselves and I think Mitch was one of them...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Fri Sep 29 18:51:58 2023
    That sounds like a good strategy, I think. Do the brainwashed people have a history of liking RFK Jr?


    The Brainwashed don't like him... But the "Normal" democrats love him...

    "Normal" democrats? Who fits in that category? What's normal for Democrats isn't normal for everyone!

    Mitch did some good things while Trump was in office... Ended up being
    a back stabber... There is a lot of people who got into politics to enrich themselves and I think Mitch was one of them...

    All of them in the senate. All of them in the house. All useless (except Matt Gaetz & MTG.)

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 30 07:04:34 2023
    On 29 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    "Normal" democrats? Who fits in that category? What's normal for
    Democrats isn't normal for everyone!


    They're the quiet ones living in fear of being discovered... I'm talking about the tradition Liberal... The ones that voted for JFK... and maybe even Regan... They are still around... I see them on #WalkAway videos...


    All of them in the senate. All of them in the house. All useless (except Matt Gaetz & MTG.)


    I'm MTG for VP...

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 30 12:22:19 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    I get it that there's no victim. The bank is making money from the
    loan. But the skank wants everyone to walk away with the thought that "Trump lied about something involving money," and she wants that to overshadow Biden abusing his power as Vice President. She's a team
    player.

    I don't see this distraction getting too much traction.

    Judge: "Trump lied about his assets to get a loan!"
    Bank: "Who cares? He already paid us back."

    This is just another "talking point" for the Ignorant Elitists who still have TDS.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Sat Sep 30 12:29:42 2023
    All of them in the senate. All of them in the house. All useless (exc IJ> AT> Matt Gaetz & MTG.)


    I'm MTG for VP...

    She seems like she's on our side but I'm just not happy about the lack of action on the border.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 30 20:35:30 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    We know what crimes Trump committed, given the 91 indictments he
    has receieved (to date). But what crimes has Biden committed? Please
    tell. Speaker McCarthy is begging members of his own party to let
    him know. Otherwise, his impeachment inquiry will all go to pot.

    Telling you about Biden's crimes would be as useless as telling McCarthy about Biden's crimes.

    Since there is nothing there, there is nothing to talk about.
    However, there is plenty there in regards to crimes committed
    by Trump. Which explains his absence from Republican debates.

    No offense - not calling you "useless," just there's no point. I'm sure Gregory already told you 20x or more.

    What Trump is alleged to have done is indefensible. And his own
    lawyers know it, many of them jumping ship rather than take the
    chance of getting themselves indicted as well.

    Where is your evidence to impeach Biden? Members of the House are
    unable to find any. And Speaker McCarthy has given up trying to find
    what does not exist. So please tell. The world is waiting ...

    The evidence is in the video where he brags about withholding aid to Ukraine
    "unless the prosecutor is fired."

    Hearsay is not evidence.

    Of course "members of the house are unable to find any," it's because they are team players.

    What are they gonna do? Shut down the government?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Sat Sep 30 12:47:22 2023
    I don't see this distraction getting too much traction.

    Judge: "Trump lied about his assets to get a loan!"
    Bank: "Who cares? He already paid us back."

    This is just another "talking point" for the Ignorant Elitists who still have TDS.

    The ones who actually are elite don't have TDS, they are just the ones who transmit the signal.

    The voters are the dummies with TDS. They conform to television standards.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 30 14:58:02 2023
    On 30 Sep 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    She seems like she's on our side but I'm just not happy about the lack of action on the border.


    I think Biden will overplay his hand when it comes to the boarder... Biden's policies are the best thing we have to Trump getting reelected. Just let Joe be Joe and Trump will be back making America Great Again.

    BTW... I renewed my Passport, I just received it on this past Thursday. The Bio page... whatever the page is with your picture and information... Is now Hard Plastic with 6 or so added security features... Holograms and special ink and so on.... My first passport had my picture taped to the Bio page... Technology is night and day over the past 30 years or more... all this technology and as per Elon Musk ... The Boarder is wide open... Sine they are letting anyone into the country they should just go back to taping pictures to the Bio Page...

    Stop making the cartels and China work so hard!!!!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Sun Oct 1 00:31:00 2023
    On 09-30-23 07:04, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Property Value <=-

    "Normal" democrats? Who fits in that category? What's normal for
    Democrats isn't normal for everyone!


    They're the quiet ones living in fear of being
    discovered... I'm talking about the tradition Liberal...
    The ones that voted for JFK... and maybe even Regan...
    They are still around... I see them on #WalkAway videos...

    I am in no fear. Also, I voted for both of those as well as both
    Bushes. One year I voted for an independent.

    What does that make me?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to IB Joe on Sun Oct 1 07:45:11 2023
    Biden's policies are the best thing we have to Trump getting reelected.

    We need a late show on TV. People do what the TV says.

    BTW... I renewed my Passport, I just received it on this past Thursday. The Bio page... whatever the page is with your picture and
    information... Is now Hard Plastic with 6 or so added security

    This new added security will help keep foreign countries more safe, since the USA is now significantly more likely to inadvertantly *export* terrorists.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Oct 1 07:54:47 2023
    Telling you about Biden's crimes would be as useless as telling McCar about Biden's crimes.

    Since there is nothing there, there is nothing to talk about.
    However, there is plenty there in regards to crimes committed
    by Trump. Which explains his absence from Republican debates.

    Wishing them away? That's smart. Wishing stuff away sometimes works.

    "I wish there was no evidence of Biden's corruption.."

    No offense - not calling you "useless," just there's no point. I'm su Gregory already told you 20x or more.

    What Trump is alleged to have done is indefensible. And his own
    lawyers know it, many of them jumping ship rather than take the
    chance of getting themselves indicted as well.

    Biden abused power while on the clock, and Trump abused a loan application.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 1 09:25:27 2023
    On 01 Oct 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    They're the quiet ones living in fear of being
    discovered... I'm talking about the tradition Liberal...
    The ones that voted for JFK... and maybe even Regan...
    They are still around... I see them on #WalkAway videos...

    I am in no fear. Also, I voted for both of those as well as both
    Bushes. One year I voted for an independent.

    What does that make me?


    I don't know what you're made of... The Democrat party is not what it use to be... What you voted for in the past really has no connection as to what is going on today.

    in the news today... the EU is pushing Biden into declaring an environmental state of emergency... They want to restrict commercial flights to flights being greater than 3 hours and restricting to only 4 flights in a lifetime.

    Thank GOD for the 10th amendment!!!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sun Oct 1 12:51:00 2023
    Remember the massive amount of cheating that they had to do to pull Sleepy Joe >across the finish line? Well they can't do that if too many people are voting >for Trump.

    Trump supposedly got more votes in 2020, and lost, than he did in 2016. I honestly don't see that many more people voting for him. I think the Republicans best bet would be if some of the folks who honestly voted for
    Biden are fed up and just don't vote (i.e. they don't vote for Biden to
    spite Trump and his supporters).

    I am still convinced there will be plenty who don't really care for Biden
    that would vote for him to just not have Trump again.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sun Oct 1 12:55:00 2023
    in the news today... the EU is pushing Biden into declaring an environmental st
    te of emergency... They want to restrict commercial flights to flights being gr
    ater than 3 hours and restricting to only 4 flights in a lifetime.

    If this is true, it proves something I have believed for a while... that
    they are really trying to restrict our ability to travel very far. I am
    not sure they understand what that will do to places that rely on tourism.
    Then again, the elite will probably have some waiver that allows more than
    4 flights. I guess tourist areas can just charge more to make up the difference?


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Mon Oct 2 00:42:00 2023
    On 10-01-23 09:25, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Property Value <=-

    in the news today... the EU is pushing Biden into declaring
    an environmental state of emergency... They want to
    restrict commercial flights to flights being greater than 3
    hours and restricting to only 4 flights in a lifetime.

    I can sort of understand their point of view on the first thing. The EU
    has much better train systems which would be good for those short trips.
    BUT, it would not work for the USA. The second point is pure nonsense.
    I have had far more than four flights -- some for business and most for pleasure. The only alternate for some of those flights would be an
    ocean liner taking months. Such a restriction would mean the death of
    the airline industry.


    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 1 14:04:46 2023
    I am still convinced there will be plenty who don't really care for Biden that would vote for him to just not have Trump again.

    I agree! The brainwashing has NOT been reversed. Nothing has changed. They are still going to do what the TV says.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 1 16:11:02 2023
    On 01 Oct 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    If this is true, it proves something I have believed for a while... that they are really trying to restrict our ability to travel very far. I am not sure they understand what that will do to places that rely on
    tourism. Then again, the elite will probably have some waiver that
    allows more than 4 flights. I guess tourist areas can just charge more
    to make up the difference?


    The only ones not going to be restricted are the elites

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Mon Oct 2 08:59:00 2023
    If this is true, it proves something I have believed for a while... that >MP> they are really trying to restrict our ability to travel very far. I am >MP> not sure they understand what that will do to places that rely on
    tourism. Then again, the elite will probably have some waiver that
    allows more than 4 flights. I guess tourist areas can just charge more >MP> to make up the difference?

    The only ones not going to be restricted are the elites

    I didn't figure they'd be restricted. After all, they need to fly to all
    sorts of exotic locations (that only they can afford) in order to compare
    notes and come up with new restrictions for the rest of us.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Oct 2 09:06:00 2023
    I can sort of understand their point of view on the first thing. The EU
    has much better train systems which would be good for those short trips.

    Indeed. I cannot understand taking a plane if there was a timely rail alternative.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Oct 2 09:09:00 2023
    I am still convinced there will be plenty who don't really care for Biden >MP> that would vote for him to just not have Trump again.

    I agree! The brainwashing has NOT been reversed. Nothing has changed. They are
    till going to do what the TV says.

    I am not so sure it is the TV as much as it could be social media. Many of
    the leftists I know only watch streaming services. While I am sure those
    shows can contain plenty of bias, I don't think they see much news.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Mon Oct 2 08:45:20 2023
    On 02 Oct 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    I can sort of understand their point of view on the first thing. The EU has much better train systems which would be good for those short trips. BUT, it would not work for the USA. The second point is pure nonsense.
    I have had far more than four flights -- some for business and most for pleasure. The only alternate for some of those flights would be an
    ocean liner taking months. Such a restriction would mean the death of
    the airline industry.


    Well out elite friends are only talking about our travel... They'll still be using private jets and gas powered cars... The main reason it won't work in America is the 10th Amendment

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 2 11:48:37 2023
    On 02 Oct 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    The only ones not going to be restricted are the elites

    I didn't figure they'd be restricted. After all, they need to fly to all sorts of exotic locations (that only they can afford) in order to compare notes and come up with new restrictions for the rest of us.


    Any time they make mention of anything to tackle climate control "WE" have to alter something whereas the Elites have to sacrifice nothing..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 2 20:29:48 2023
    Hello Mike,

    Mike Powell -> RON L. explained on 10/1/2023 :
    Remember the massive amount of cheating that they had to do to pull Sleepy
    Joe
    across the finish line? Well they can't do that if too many people are
    voting
    for Trump.

    Trump supposedly got more votes in 2020, and lost, than he did in 2016. I honestly don't see that many more people voting for him.

    Joe Biden received 7,000,000+ more popular votes than Donald Trump
    in the 2020 presidential election, according to official results.

    Donald Trump went 0-60 in the courts, challenging results of the vote.

    IOW, Mike Powell's recollection is faulty, at best.

    I think the Republicans best bet would be if some of the folks who honestly
    voted for Biden are fed up and just don't vote (i.e. they don't vote for Biden to spite Trump and his supporters).

    Biden would still win, although only by 20 million votes rather
    than 30 million. Or maybe by default, if Trump is doing time.

    I am still convinced there will be plenty who don't really care for Biden that would vote for him to just not have Trump again.

    We did have one election where a candidate did not show up.
    In which case the incumbent won by default. That could happen
    again in 2024 ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 2 20:29:59 2023
    Hello Mike,

    I can sort of understand their point of view on the first thing. The EU
    has much better train systems which would be good for those short trips.

    Indeed. I cannot understand taking a plane if there was a timely rail alternative.

    The governor of Louisiana has talked about having fast train service
    between Baton Rouge and New Orleans for years. But his dream has never
    caught on with legislators, or the general population, due to an even
    more popular alternative - the levee on the Mississippi River.

    A bicycle path on top of the levee between Baton Rouge and New Orleans
    would be a dream come true for bicyclists everywhere! Not only can I
    ride my bicycle to the casino in Baton Rouge, but in the near future
    I will be able to ride my bicycle to the casino in New Orleans! Just
    imagine the other casinos I will be able to visit once the bicycle
    path is extended along the Gulf Coast ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 2 15:41:12 2023
    I agree! The brainwashing has NOT been reversed. Nothing has changed. Th are
    till going to do what the TV says.

    I am not so sure it is the TV as much as it could be social media. Many of the leftists I know only watch streaming services. While I am sure those shows can contain plenty of bias, I don't think they see much news.

    I see that too. But it seems to be a combination of all of the above, and more (radio, newspapers, newsletters, everything, everywhere.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Oct 3 07:48:47 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    Indeed. I cannot understand taking a plane if there was a timely rail alternative.

    What is this "timely rail" you speak of?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Oct 3 07:48:47 2023
    IB Joe wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Well out elite friends are only talking about our travel... They'll
    still be using private jets and gas powered cars... The main reason
    it won't work in America is the 10th Amendment

    They'll just do like they've done before: change the meaning of the words of the 10th Amendment to mean something different.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tue Oct 3 08:43:00 2023
    Any time they make mention of anything to tackle climate control "WE" have to ter something whereas the Elites have to sacrifice nothing..

    No argument here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tue Oct 3 08:37:00 2023
    Indeed. I cannot understand taking a plane if there was a timely rail alternative.

    What is this "timely rail" you speak of?

    Rail lines that get you from place to place reliably. They have them in Europe.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Tue Oct 3 08:26:45 2023
    On 03 Oct 2023, Ron L. said the following...


    They'll just do like they've done before: change the meaning of the
    words of the 10th Amendment to mean something different.


    At some point it's got to stop!!!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Oct 4 07:23:44 2023
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They'll just do like they've done before: change the meaning of the
    words of the 10th Amendment to mean something different.

    At some point it's got to stop!!!

    It will stop.

    But by then the Constitution won't mean anything. All their "meddling" will backfire on them (like it always does). And they are permanently removed from society.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Wed Oct 4 07:13:18 2023
    On 04 Oct 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    At some point it's got to stop!!!

    It will stop.

    But by then the Constitution won't mean anything. All their "meddling" will backfire on them (like it always does). And they are permanently removed from society.


    I hope so!!!

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