• Ride the Red Wave?

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Wed Nov 8 10:19:00 2023
    If yesterday's elections are any indication, the Red Wave still isn't happening. Here in Kentucky, the Democrat incumbent beat the
    Trump-endorsed Republican challenger and current AG in the governor's race. Despite what any polls might, or might not, have indicated, I was not surprised.

    Based on what I am reading this morning, that was the trend in most of the country. Trump-endorsed candidates again did poorly.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 8 17:52:03 2023
    If yesterday's elections are any indication, the Red Wave still isn't happening. Here in Kentucky, the Democrat incumbent beat the Trump-endorsed Republican challenger and current AG in the governor's race. Despite what any polls might, or might not, have indicated, I was not surprised.

    I'm sorry to hear about that. Welcome to the club. (It sucks!)

    Based on what I am reading this morning, that was the trend in most of
    the country. Trump-endorsed candidates again did poorly.

    Trump realizes that campaigning hard is a good idea, when it's his campaign. But he's endorsed a few lazy candidates who don't take campaigning as serious as Trump does.

    Republican candidates need to do more than get signatures. They think that getting signatures equals getting votes, and once they realize that they're going to be on the ballot, they celebrate prematurely.

    They need to stoop to the Democrat level sometimes. Do a little race-baiting, or offer to boost the foodstamps. Personally, if I saw a Republican candidate race-baiting, it wouldn't bother me at all, and I'd trust that he/she was doing it with good intentions (to win, so that they could give conservatives the relief that they desperately need.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 9 07:54:35 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to ALL <=-

    Based on what I am reading this morning, that was the trend in most of
    the country. Trump-endorsed candidates again did poorly.

    Of course, there's the taint of the 2020 election cheating that's still around.
    So the question of whether they lost fairly is still unanswered.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Nov 9 09:00:00 2023
    If yesterday's elections are any indication, the Red Wave still isn't happening. Here in Kentucky, the Democrat incumbent beat the Trump-endorsed Republican challenger and current AG in the governor's race. Despite what any polls might, or might not, have indicated, I was not surprised.

    I'm sorry to hear about that. Welcome to the club. (It sucks!)

    Honestly, I was not that disappointed. The current governor has dome some things I did not like but his challenger, while being a good AG, campaigned
    on some things I thought were a little too extreme right for me to really
    get behind.

    I wish he'd just have run for AG again. OTOH, the Republicans swept the
    other statewide races, like Secretary of State which is the one I was more concerned about.

    Based on what I am reading this morning, that was the trend in most of the country. Trump-endorsed candidates again did poorly.

    Trump realizes that campaigning hard is a good idea, when it's his campaign. B
    he's endorsed a few lazy candidates who don't take campaigning as serious as ump does.

    Cameron campaigned. I think campaigning too far right did him in.

    An example, his going after the current governor for closing down churches during the COVID lockdown may have played well to Christians who'd never
    vote for Bashear anyway, but most of the ones I know were fine attending drive-in and remote services and believed it was the right call. They
    believed that it was low blow to bring that up as part of his campaign.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Thu Nov 9 08:44:00 2023
    Based on what I am reading this morning, that was the trend in most of the country. Trump-endorsed candidates again did poorly.

    Of course, there's the taint of the 2020 election cheating that's still around
    So the question of whether they lost fairly is still unanswered.

    I am convinced they lost fairly here. We have a good SoS who, along with several other Republicans, swept the remainder of the statewide races.

    The reason I pointed it out is that I believe there were shennanigans in
    2020 but I also believe it likely that Trump still loses without them. I
    also believe that will be quite possible in 2024. As I have said before,
    I live in what has become a red state. Outside of people whose posts I
    read on the BBS, while I know plenty of Republicans, I know very few hardcore Trump supporters. While I know some who will ultimately vote for him if it comes down to him vs. Biden, I also know many, many people who will never
    vote for him (or won't again) even if it means voting for Biden or not at
    all.

    They are tired of the drama and frenzy that surround him. I personally
    believe the Republicans are more likely to win with a candidate that is
    less of a lightning-rod of their own making.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 9 14:45:08 2023
    Cameron campaigned. I think campaigning too far right did him in.

    An example, his going after the current governor for closing down
    churches during the COVID lockdown may have played well to Christians who'd never vote for Bashear anyway, but most of the ones I know were
    fine attending drive-in and remote services and believed it was the
    right call. They believed that it was low blow to bring that up as part of his campaign.

    That is lousy campaigning. Most people act like covid never happened, so for him to think that voters still have that chip on their shoulder, he's nuts. That's stuff he could have addressed after getting elected.

    Hopefully Bashear behaves himself.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 10 04:43:32 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    Hopefully Bashear behaves himself.

    The people of Kentucky love their govenor! So much they
    voted to keep him in office. The third person in the history
    of Kentucky to win a second term as governor! What a guy!
    Beshear the Great forever!

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 10 08:14:27 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I am convinced they lost fairly here. We have a good SoS who, along
    with several other Republicans, swept the remainder of the statewide races.

    The problem that I see is that there will always be questions now.

    The reason I pointed it out is that I believe there were shennanigans
    in 2020 but I also believe it likely that Trump still loses without
    them.

    We have too many recorded instances of:
    1. Magic ballots (ones that didn't come in through the proper channels).
    2. Ballots that were counted multiple times when the tabulation was supposed to have finished for the evening.
    3. Proof that voting machines changed votes.
    4. Proof that ballot boxes were stuffed with invalid votes.
    5. Proof that people not mentally competent to vote did vote from their assisted living center.

    The idea that this is only the "tip of the iceberg" is certainly possible.

    I also believe that will be quite possible in 2024.

    They will find it hard to cheat bad enough, I think. While it's possible I think it's improbable. And the Elitists know too, based on what they are trying to push through the legislature.

    I know very few hardcore Trump supporters.

    I will argue that most Trump supporters are quiet for fear of harassment
    by the Ignorant Elitists. Also, I think that many people are Trump supporters in that they know he will fix things, but don't like him as a person. So
    they will vote for him in the election, but won't really talk about him.

    ultimately vote for him if it comes down to him vs. Biden, I also know many, many people who will never vote for him (or won't again) even if
    it means voting for Biden or not at all.

    We have way too many people in this country who cannot handle the idea that they were wrong.

    They are tired of the drama and frenzy that surround him.

    Oh, I completely agree with you there. But the drama and frenzy surrounding Trump was created by the Elitists and their ignorant cronies.

    I believe that the vast majority of people in the U.S. simply want to be left alone to live their lives and pursue what they enjoy. But it has become extrememly appearant to most of us that there is a group of people in the world who have an overwhelming need to control other people. So we can't sit back anymore and let the polticians play their games anymore.

    We are being dragged kicking and screaming into the politics game and we will never forgive these Elitists for doing that.

    I personally
    believe the Republicans are more likely to win with a candidate that is less of a lightning-rod of their own making.

    Based on the ratings for the last GOP debate, that's not going to happen.

    For me, all the other Republican candidates are unacceptable. I don't want any of them in gov't at all.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Nov 10 06:31:53 2023
    The people of Kentucky love their govenor! So much they
    voted to keep him in office. The third person in the history
    of Kentucky to win a second term as governor! What a guy!
    Beshear the Great forever!

    The people of Louisville maybe. Not the people of Kentucky.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Fri Nov 10 09:49:00 2023
    I also believe that will be quite possible in 2024.

    They will find it hard to cheat bad enough, I think. While it's possible I think it's improbable. And the Elitists know too, based on what they are trying to push through the legislature.

    The problem I see here is if they don't even cheat, and Trump doesn't win (which I think is quite possible), everyone will assume that they did cheat because die-hard Trump supporters believe he cannot be defeated and don't seem to realize that his message does not resonate as well with others as it does with them.

    When he talks about his accomplishments (better economy, fewer
    international issues, etc.), that resonates well with me (for example)
    because I can see all of this and agree he did a *lot* better. Biden has
    given him plenty of (bad) examples to contrast with.

    When he is busy name calling or reminding everyone that he only lost because "they" cheated, it does not resonate with me as much. I don't think the personal attacks work, while the folks that are convinced there was rampant cheating already know it -- and the folks who aren't convinced never will be.

    If he continues as is, he is only preaching to his base... just like
    Hillary did in 2016 and just like he did in 2020. He needs to get back to preaching to everyone, which is what won him the 2016 election.

    I will argue that most Trump supporters are quiet for fear of harassment
    by the Ignorant Elitists. Also, I think that many people are Trump
    upporters
    in that they know he will fix things, but don't like him as a person. So they will vote for him in the election, but won't really talk about him.

    I disagree with that last bit. I know folks who don't like him as a person
    who *might* have still voted for 2016 Trump, but won't now because they are tired of what Trump "as a person" brings to the table, and they don't care
    that most of it is because the "elite and ignorant" are attacking him.

    There are a lot of people who will admit they were better off before 2020
    that cannot stand listening to Trump. I talked to one just two days ago.
    They apparently voted Trump before but, in their words, wish he'd just shut
    up and stick to the issues.

    ultimately vote for him if it comes down to him vs. Biden, I also know many, many people who will never vote for him (or won't again) even if it means voting for Biden or not at all.

    We have way too many people in this country who cannot handle the idea that they were wrong.

    This is true, but I see that on both sides of the spectrum.

    I believe that the vast majority of people in the U.S. simply want to be left alone to live their lives and pursue what they enjoy. But it has become extrememly appearant to most of us that there is a group of people in the
    orl
    who have an overwhelming need to control other people. So we can't sit back anymore and let the polticians play their games anymore.

    I agree, but I will also point out that some of those people who want to be "left alone" believe that it is not the Democrats/left who are a threat to their alternate, or non-religious, or even just plain freeloading lifestyle.

    American has changed too much. If the USSR has been as involved in our
    economy back in the 1980s as China is now, there'd have been near universal outcry. Now we are split enough that a threat to all of us is only seen as such by maybe half of us.

    I personally
    believe the Republicans are more likely to win with a candidate that is less of a lightning-rod of their own making.

    Based on the ratings for the last GOP debate, that's not going to happen.

    I agree there, unless folks have already made their minds up about one of
    them. One thing about those ratings, though, is that it is difficult to compare to the past because, in past, debates used to be more widely
    available for viewing. This mostly internet-streaming age is removing a
    lot of potential eyeballs.... which I think plays directly into the hands of those who want more control.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Fri Nov 10 09:56:00 2023
    We have too many recorded instances of:
    1. Magic ballots (ones that didn't come in through the proper channels).
    2. Ballots that were counted multiple times when the tabulation was supposed

    have finished for the evening.
    3. Proof that voting machines changed votes.
    4. Proof that ballot boxes were stuffed with invalid votes.
    5. Proof that people not mentally competent to vote did vote from their assisted living center.

    One thing I like about our SoS (R) is that he added early voting days but showed no desire to add any of these unmanned voting boxes. I don't know
    why anyone, who is not intent on doing wrong, would think those are a good idea. Not having them cuts down on a lot of the improper channels that
    votes can come through. I am not sure when "chain of custody" became a not-thing when it came to paper ballots. Even mail-in ballots used to have
    to be sealed, properly signed, etc., to be counted, and there were plenty
    of warnings on the ballots to let you know if you didn't do it right it
    would not be counted.

    I am not sure that #5 is illegal so long as the person in question is
    really the one that voted. Troubling, maybe, but not illegal.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Nov 10 10:04:00 2023
    That is lousy campaigning. Most people act like covid never happened, so for

    to think that voters still have that chip on their shoulder, he's nuts.
    hat'
    stuff he could have addressed after getting elected.

    I do know some it resonated with so they apparently do. People in this
    very echo still have the COVID chip on their shoulders.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 10 21:57:41 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    The people of Kentucky love their govenor! So much they
    voted to keep him in office. The third person in the history
    of Kentucky to win a second term as governor! What a guy!
    Beshear the Great forever!

    The people of Louisville maybe. Not the people of Kentucky.

    Folks used to call him the Louisville Slugger when he was a kid.
    But now that he's all grown up, he is so much more than that.
    Which is why Kentucky is the blue grass state rather than red.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 10 16:01:42 2023
    That is lousy campaigning. Most people act like covid never happened, so

    to think that voters still have that chip on their shoulder, he's nuts.
    hat'
    stuff he could have addressed after getting elected.

    I do know some it resonated with so they apparently do. People in this very echo still have the COVID chip on their shoulders.

    Yea, I'm one of them. I'm still angry about the covid stuff that my governor did. But it's too late for a Republican opponent to call her out for it now.

    NYers have fish brains. They don't remember covid. They don't even remember what they had for lunch. All they know is what the media tells them, and the media's not talking about old stuff, unless it has to do with Trump-bashing.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 11 08:42:22 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The problem I see here is if they don't even cheat, and Trump doesn't
    win (which I think is quite possible), everyone will assume that they
    did cheat because die-hard Trump supporters believe he cannot be
    defeated and don't seem to realize that his message does not resonate
    as well with others as it does with them.

    Well, that's what happen when cheating happens once, and nothing is done about it. The Elitists won't prosecute their own operatives.

    When he talks about his accomplishments (better economy, fewer international issues, etc.), that resonates well with me (for example) because I can see all of this and agree he did a *lot* better. Biden
    has given him plenty of (bad) examples to contrast with.

    I think we can argue that Biden is not completely useless. He's a great example of a bad President.

    Of course, we should have learned that with Carter.

    When he is busy name calling or reminding everyone that he only lost because "they" cheated, it does not resonate with me as much.

    But to many, he's just stating the obvious.

    And the name calling is appropriate because he's pointing out that these people who are trying to pass themselves off as "experts" are anything but and should be ignored.

    I don't think the personal attacks work,

    It depends on who he's attacking. I've only ever seen him attack Elitists who attacked him first. And, to me, his attacks are right on the money.

    If he continues as is, he is only preaching to his base... just like Hillary did in 2016 and just like he did in 2020. He needs to get back
    to preaching to everyone, which is what won him the 2016 election.

    I think you are way off here.

    As we talked about before, the people with TDS will never vote for Trump. So there's no point in trying to preach to them. The people who love Trump will always vote for him, so he doesn't need to preach to him. So there's the two "bases".

    It's the middle people that he needs to talk to. And they already recognize that they were much better off than under the Elitists. They don't care about him as a person because he will leave them alone and make the country a better place to live.

    As far as the 2016 vs. 2020 elections. The cheating that we saw in 2020 has been going on far longer than we realize. It was just so much worse in 2020 that it couldn't be hidden. Trump won in 2016 because they Elitists were complacent and didn't ramp up the cheating.

    I disagree with that last bit. I know folks who don't like him as a person who *might* have still voted for 2016 Trump, but won't now
    because they are tired of what Trump "as a person" brings to the table, and they don't care that most of it is because the "elite and ignorant" are attacking him.

    Well, we'll find out in the next election.

    But I do agree that many people are getting tired of the political circuses.

    There are a lot of people who will admit they were better off before
    2020 that cannot stand listening to Trump.

    I don't like listening to Trump either. He's an afwul public speaker. But I do like less gov't regulation, lower gas prices, lower taxes, etc. And I don't have to listen to Trump if I don't want to.

    I talked to one just two
    days ago. They apparently voted Trump before but, in their words, wish he'd just shut up and stick to the issues.

    He probably would, if he wasn't buried in made up alligations.

    Remember that 90% of what he does is a response from the Elitists. The media is used to a Republican who shutdown when someone points at him and says "Racist!" Trump give it right back at them. If the Elitists would stop lying about him, Trump wouldn't give it right back.

    This is true, but I see that on both sides of the spectrum.

    Oh, ya, that isn't a one side issue. That's why I keep saying that this is not a "right vs. left" or "Democrat vs. Republican" problem. Those are made up sides.

    There has always been a group of people who need to control others. They can never admit that they are wrong and they are in **every** group.

    I agree, but I will also point out that some of those people who want
    to be "left alone" believe that it is not the Democrats/left who are a threat to their alternate, or non-religious, or even just plain freeloading lifestyle.

    Oh, I know that. For a long time it was the religions trying to force their control. Other times it was other groups. Back to my comment about this not being a "right vs. left" problem above.

    American has changed too much.

    America has been changing for the worst at least since the 1960's (and probably before that too) as the Elitists have infiltrated our instututions and turned them against us.

    I agree there, unless folks have already made their minds up about one
    of them. One thing about those ratings, though, is that it is
    difficult to compare to the past because, in past, debates used to be
    more widely available for viewing. This mostly internet-streaming age
    is removing a lot of potential eyeballs.... which I think plays
    directly into the hands of those who want more control.

    I think it's "6 of one, half dozen of the other".

    Control of the internet sites or control of the broadcast companies. It makes no difference.

    But I think I can argue that it's much harder to control internet sites.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Nov 11 08:58:00 2023
    I do know some it resonated with so they apparently do. People in this very echo still have the COVID chip on their shoulders.

    Yea, I'm one of them. I'm still angry about the covid stuff that my governor d
    . But it's too late for a Republican opponent to call her out for it now.

    Not really, at least not here. This was the first governor's election
    cycle since then. If they don't bring it up now, when would they?

    It wasn't that it didn't work because it was old news. It didn't work
    because a whole lot of churchgoers saw the suspension of in-person services
    as something necessary to keep from becoming sick and dying. They also saw
    the cases where people defied the suspension, went anyway, got sick, and
    died. It only resonated with folks that were already going to vote for Cameron, who saw Bashear's measures as an attack on their religion,
    and who thought COVID was probably all made up.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 11 09:19:29 2023
    NYers have fish brains. They don't remember covid. They don't even remember what they had for lunch. All they know is what the media tells them, and the media's not talking about old stuff, unless it has to do with Trump-bashing.

    It more accurate to suggest that most of NYC has fish brains.
    Upstate New York (nearly every county outside of NYC) was RED in the last Presidential election.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 11 19:23:56 2023
    Not really, at least not here. This was the first governor's election cycle since then. If they don't bring it up now, when would they?

    It wasn't that it didn't work because it was old news. It didn't work because a whole lot of churchgoers saw the suspension of in-person services as something necessary to keep from becoming sick and dying. They also saw the cases where people defied the suspension, went anyway, got sick, and died. It only resonated with folks that were already
    going to vote for Cameron, who saw Bashear's measures as an attack on their religion, and who thought COVID was probably all made up.

    It's an RNC problem. They should be more organized, and some fat ugly sugar daddy should be telling Cameron what he can and can't talk about.

    It don't sound right, but really, that's what we need.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Nov 11 19:42:32 2023
    NYers have fish brains. They don't remember covid. They don't even remember what they had for lunch. All they know is what the media tel them, and the media's not talking about old stuff, unless it has to d with Trump-bashing.

    It more accurate to suggest that most of NYC has fish brains.
    Upstate New York (nearly every county outside of NYC) was RED in the last Presidential election.

    Yes, that is a good point. And I love upstate for that reason. I feel proud when I see all the Trump signs and flags all over the place.

    There's some manufacturing company on I-81 with a gigantic "Blue Lives Matter" flag that you can see from the highway.

    People are always surprised when they learn that there's more to NY than NYC, and they'd be even more surprised to find out how conservative we are! ;)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sun Nov 12 15:16:00 2023
    When he talks about his accomplishments (better economy, fewer international issues, etc.), that resonates well with me (for example) because I can see all of this and agree he did a *lot* better. Biden has given him plenty of (bad) examples to contrast with.

    I think we can argue that Biden is not completely useless. He's a great example of a bad President.

    Yes, this is very true. :D

    Of course, we should have learned that with Carter.

    Maybe the issue is that enough years have past that there are plenty of
    voters now who were not old enough to vote then OR were not even alive at
    all then.

    I disagree with that last bit. I know folks who don't like him as a person who *might* have still voted for 2016 Trump, but won't now because they are tired of what Trump "as a person" brings to the table, and they don't care that most of it is because the "elite and ignorant" are attacking him.

    Well, we'll find out in the next election.

    But I do agree that many people are getting tired of the political circuses.

    I think this is a good point that I didn't really make well but that you
    picked up on... they are tired of it regardless of whose circus it is.

    There are a lot of people who will admit they were better off before 2020 that cannot stand listening to Trump.

    I don't like listening to Trump either. He's an afwul public speaker. But I do like less gov't regulation, lower gas prices, lower taxes, etc. And I don'
    have to listen to Trump if I don't want to.

    Something frustrating here is that there are others who will say they like these things also but don't seem to be able to connect the dots when it
    comes to who they vote for. I think maybe you call them "useful idiots"? :D

    I agree, but I will also point out that some of those people who want
    to be "left alone" believe that it is not the Democrats/left who are a threat to their alternate, or non-religious, or even just plain freeloading lifestyle.

    Oh, I know that. For a long time it was the religions trying to force their control. Other times it was other groups. Back to my comment about this not being a "right vs. left" problem above.

    Agreed.

    American has changed too much.

    America has been changing for the worst at least since the 1960's (and probabl
    before that too) as the Elitists have infiltrated our instututions and turned them against us.

    I also agree. I am among those who believe that Nikita K. didn't
    necessarily mean militarily when he said "we will bury you." I think he
    knew that our institutions (especially college campuses) were being
    infiltrated and we'd eventually have a generation or two that had been
    exposed heavily to the message.

    In an odd irony, the USSR fell apart before the saturation level got that
    high.

    But I think I can argue that it's much harder to control internet sites.

    Maybe. They were doing a good job controling social media but some have
    found easy ways around that. Not so easy to do with broadcast media.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sun Nov 12 15:18:00 2023
    5. Proof that people not mentally competent to vote did vote from their assisted living center.

    I am not sure that #5 is illegal so long as the person in question is really the one that voted. Troubling, maybe, but not illegal.

    The ones that I saw, the person in question was either 1) in a coma, or 2) didn't even know what day it was. So they were not capable of voting.

    And, yes, that was illegal. But, again, no one was punished for that.

    If they are in a coma or have no idea what is happening (in this case, that someone is filling out a ballot for them), I have no doubt it is illegal...
    and immoral.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 13 07:27:17 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Of course, we should have learned that with Carter.

    Maybe the issue is that enough years have past that there are plenty of voters now who were not old enough to vote then OR were not even alive
    at all then.

    Probable. Especially when you have a Media and Education establishment dedicated to suppressing information that they don't like.

    Something frustrating here is that there are others who will say they
    like these things also but don't seem to be able to connect the dots
    when it comes to who they vote for. I think maybe you call them
    "useful idiots"? :D

    No. A "useful idiot" is someone who will go against their best interest to further yours. The people you describe are just "idiots".

    I also agree. I am among those who believe that Nikita K. didn't necessarily mean militarily when he said "we will bury you." I think
    he knew that our institutions (especially college campuses) were being infiltrated and we'd eventually have a generation or two that had been exposed heavily to the message.

    In an odd irony, the USSR fell apart before the saturation level got
    that high.

    Little Nikki learned his history through the Propaganda Ministry...er... "schools" of the USSR where they don't teach the fact that all socialist countries collapse under their own incompetence at some point.

    Maybe. They were doing a good job controling social media but some
    have found easy ways around that. Not so easy to do with broadcast
    media.

    Hense why broadcast media is having a harder time of making it go.

    I believe that there's a great deal of money being given to the "media giants" to keep them afloat. They simply aren't getting enough eyeballs to make it on their old advertising model as people start tuning out.

    Yet others are able to make a go at it via the small subscription model.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Mon Nov 13 11:02:00 2023
    Of course, we should have learned that with Carter.

    Maybe the issue is that enough years have past that there are plenty of voters now who were not old enough to vote then OR were not even alive at all then.

    Probable. Especially when you have a Media and Education establishment dedicated to suppressing information that they don't like.

    In a very small defense, when I was in school and we covered US History, we rarely got to or past Vietnam. We sort of skipped Vietnam in order to get to Watergate once.

    Considering that there has been well over 30 years additional history
    written since that point, I am guessing there is an even larger gap of time that gets left out.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 14 07:17:00 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Considering that there has been well over 30 years additional history written since that point, I am guessing there is an even larger gap of time that gets left out.

    That was pretty much my experience as well.

    They white-washed the early history ("Lies My Teachers Told Me" was very eye opening) but as you got closer to current history, it was usually ignored. At the time, I thought it was due to the fact that the school hadn't updated their textbooks in a while.

    I think the most controversial, and most "current event", was debating whether we should have dropped the bomb on Japan. But that was nearly 40 years old by the time I was in High School.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tue Nov 14 08:48:00 2023
    They white-washed the early history ("Lies My Teachers Told Me" was very eye opening) but as you got closer to current history, it was usually ignored.
    t
    the time, I thought it was due to the fact that the school hadn't updated
    hei
    textbooks in a while.

    I actually feel like the teachers I had for US History did a pretty good
    job overall. There were some things that were not discussed in detail,
    either due to time or the textbook, but they did a very good job with
    things like the Revolution and the Civil War, and they did a pretty good
    job with the Constitution, too.

    I had some teachers that were "woke" before it was a thing, but luckily
    none of them taught US History. The two I remember taught English/Language Arts.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 14 16:25:07 2023
    Hello Mike,

    [..]

    In a very small defense, when I was in school and we covered US History, we
    rarely got to or past Vietnam. We sort of skipped Vietnam in order to get to
    Watergate once.

    Richard Nixon resigned from office in disgrace in August, 1974.
    This was the result of Watergate, caused by CROOK.
    The Vietnam War ended under Gerald Ford much later, in 1975.
    Do keep up.

    Considering that there has been well over 30 years additional history written since that point, I am guessing there is an even larger gap of time
    that gets left out.

    Richard Nixon's resignation from office came first.
    Then came the USA's exit from Vietnam, under Gerald Ford.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 15 07:43:54 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I actually feel like the teachers I had for US History did a pretty
    good job overall.

    Overall, I'd say that's true. But I know that things took a big turn for the worst after I graduated. The teachers my younger brothers had were... well, let's just say "less than competent" to teach those subjects.

    There were some things that were not discussed in
    detail, either due to time or the textbook, but they did a very good
    job with things like the Revolution and the Civil War, and they did a pretty good job with the Constitution, too.

    But that was the problem. They hit all the high points. We got those starting in the 2nd grade. It's all the "boring" stuff that happened in between that got little time, or was presented in such a way that we pretty much ignored it.

    I had some teachers that were "woke" before it was a thing, but luckily none of them taught US History. The two I remember taught English/Language Arts.

    Ya, the "softer" subjects went woke first. The number of good art/english teachers that I encountered is very low. And that would include college.


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