• Sad Zelenski

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to All on Tue Dec 12 19:16:29 2023
    Sad Vlodymir Zelenski left Washington DC empty handed again, whining that Russia is going to win the war if we don't give him 61 billion dollars before the end of the year.

    Mike Johnson is doing a phenomenal job. Not a penny for Joe's funneling operation until our border is closed and these fake refugees are on the next train back to Mexico!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Dec 13 09:13:00 2023
    Sad Vlodymir Zelenski left Washington DC empty handed again, whining that Russi
    is going to win the war if we don't give him 61 billion dollars before the end >of the year.

    Are you sure? I saw a "report" from one of our friendly right-wing
    "reporters" on either YT or Twitter where they said that Joe says he is
    going to give Zelenski the dinero.

    Which is right?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wed Dec 13 19:27:05 2023
    Sad Vlodymir Zelenski left Washington DC empty handed again, whining that >Russi
    is going to win the war if we don't give him 61 billion dollars before th >of the year.

    Are you sure? I saw a "report" from one of our friendly right-wing "reporters" on either YT or Twitter where they said that Joe says he is going to give Zelenski the dinero.

    I'm never sure about these things, but how could Biden get his hands on the money without congress' approval?

    ABC News (yesterday) was saying something like "Congressional GOP is holding the Ukraine money hostage until a southern US border deal is reached.."

    (ABC News really wants Ukraine to have that money!)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 14 07:28:27 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    Are you sure? I saw a "report" from one of our friendly right-wing "reporters" on either YT or Twitter where they said that Joe says he is going to give Zelenski the dinero.

    Which is right?

    But remember that Biden lies like he breathes.

    Remember that he was still telling the Wokies that he would forgive student loans after he was told that he can't so that?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Dec 14 07:28:27 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I'm never sure about these things, but how could Biden get his hands on the money without congress' approval?

    He can't. Congress holds the purse strings.

    ABC News (yesterday) was saying something like "Congressional GOP is holding the Ukraine money hostage until a southern US border deal is reached.."

    (ABC News really wants Ukraine to have that money!)

    Ukraine doesn't really get all that money. Some goes to the Ukraine oligarchs.
    Much of it goes to the Military Industrial Complex here in the U.S. to build the weapons that Ukraine "buys". A good chunk ends up in the pockets of the Biden Crime Family and their buddies.

    I think that most people see Ukraine is nothing more than a money laundering system. Tax dollars in, enrich a few Elitists out.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Thu Dec 14 06:40:31 2023
    (ABC News really wants Ukraine to have that money!)

    Ukraine doesn't really get all that money. Some goes to the Ukraine oligarchs. Much of it goes to the Military Industrial Complex here in
    the U.S. to build the weapons that Ukraine "buys". A good chunk ends up in the pockets of the Biden Crime Family and their buddies.

    I wonder what the media gets out of it? They convey the message that "the GOP is holding Ukraine hostage" and that "if Russia wins the war then it's the GOP's fault."

    Obviously it's Zelenski's fault if he loses the "war" and it's Zelenski's fault that there is a "war" in the first place, but the media wants the American people to feel like it's all *their* fault.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Dec 14 09:17:00 2023
    Are you sure? I saw a "report" from one of our friendly right-wing "reporters" on either YT or Twitter where they said that Joe says he is going to give Zelenski the dinero.

    I'm never sure about these things, but how could Biden get his hands on the mo
    y without congress' approval?

    He probably can't. I suspect that, as with many/most "Internet
    journalists," this was something to get people upset over nothing.

    ABC News (yesterday) was saying something like "Congressional GOP is holding t
    Ukraine money hostage until a southern US border deal is reached.."

    I would be inclined to believe them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Thu Dec 14 09:19:00 2023
    But remember that Biden lies like he breathes.

    Remember that he was still telling the Wokies that he would forgive student loans after he was told that he can't so that?

    At this point I am not sure if he is lying about things like your example,
    or if he just thinks he can because he's that far out of touch with reality.

    Either way, it is not a good thing.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Dec 14 09:23:00 2023
    I wonder what the media gets out of it? They convey the message that "the GOP i
    holding Ukraine hostage" and that "if Russia wins the war then it's the GOP's
    ault."

    They are conveying what Democrats like Schumer are saying about it.

    Obviously it's Zelenski's fault if he loses the "war" and it's Zelenski's fault
    that there is a "war" in the first place, but the media wants the American peop
    e to feel like it's all *their* fault.

    I believe it is Russia's fault the war started as they invaded. You could
    call it Zelenski's fault in the sense that he didn't just cave to Russia's demands.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Dec 14 18:46:19 2023
    I'm never sure about these things,

    Obviously.

    but how could Biden get his hands on
    the money without congress' approval?

    You really should stop swallow the constant lies from the MEGA cult members in the House.

    The money is already approved of. It comes from the DoD's budget. All it takes from Biden is an executive order to the DoD -- the House has nothing to do with this, to the cult members' chagrin.

    Even a Swede like me knows this, so why don't you?


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Dec 14 23:50:35 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    Sad Vlodymir Zelenski left Washington DC empty handed again, whining that Russia is going to win the war if we don't give him 61 billion dollars before the end of the year.

    President Zelenskyy returned to Ukraine, full of hope, happy
    that Biden had given him $200 million in militry assistance to
    continue his campaign against the evil Mad Vlad. This is on
    top of the $75 billion already given to him by the US.

    Ukraine has retaken over 50% of the territory taken by Russia,
    and continues to make advances in a war that has gone on for
    almost two years. President Zelenskyy refuses to cede territory
    to an enemy he knows will refuse to honor any peace deal, so
    the fight goes on for Ukraine's very survival - both as a
    country and a people.

    The US has given Ukraine some $75 billion in assistance.
    The rest of the world has given Ukraine some $100 billion.

    Mike Johnson is doing a phenomenal job.

    He is a horse's ass. Wants to blur the pictures of rioters who
    went on the rampage on January 6. That would be a criminal act.
    An accessory after the fact. The DoJ has every right to find,
    and prosecute, all who took part. Including those who attempt
    to keep the identity of those rioters hidden or kept secret.

    Not a penny for Joe's funneling operation until our border is closed and these fake refugees are on the next train back to Mexico!

    This is not a game show like Let's Make a Deal.

    You want to side with a dictator intent on world domination?
    Move to Russia. Vladimir Putin will find something for you to do.
    Probably in Ukraine.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Dec 14 23:50:41 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    Sad Vlodymir Zelenski left Washington DC empty handed again, whining
    that
    Russi
    is going to win the war if we don't give him 61 billion dollars
    before th
    of the year.

    Are you sure? I saw a "report" from one of our friendly right-wing
    "reporters" on either YT or Twitter where they said that Joe says he
    is
    going to give Zelenski the dinero.

    I'm never sure about these things, but how could Biden get his hands on the
    money without congress' approval?

    Biden is sending aid already approved by Congress.

    ABC News (yesterday) was saying something like "Congressional GOP is holding
    the Ukraine money hostage until a southern US border deal is reached.."

    Some Republicans in Congress are holding aid to Ukraine hostage
    as a means of getting support for their positions on immigration
    reform. Putin and his gang of thugs are cheering them on.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ron L. on Thu Dec 14 23:50:46 2023
    Hello Ron,

    I'm never sure about these things, but how could Biden get his hands on
    the money without congress' approval?

    He can't. Congress holds the purse strings.

    The Congress has approved $75 billion in aid, and other countries
    have approved $100 billion in aid. The $200 million Biden is sending
    to Ukraine is aid already approved by Congress.

    ABC News (yesterday) was saying something like "Congressional GOP is
    holding the Ukraine money hostage until a southern US border deal is
    reached.."

    (ABC News really wants Ukraine to have that money!)

    Ukraine doesn't really get all that money. Some goes to the Ukraine oligarchs.

    Some members of Congress are questioning the accountability of
    where funds are going, but that issue can be addressed. As it should.
    But to say or suggest without evidence that "some goes to the Ukraine oligarchs" is disingenouos at best.

    Much of it goes to the Military Industrial Complex here in the U.S. to build
    the weapons that Ukraine "buys". A good chunk ends up in the pockets Bof the iden Crime Family and their buddies.

    Lots of countries are sending Ukraine military aid and assistance.
    That is what it takes for Ukraine to resist Russia's full scale acts
    of aggression. Thanks to President Biden, and other leaders around
    the world, Mad Vlad did not get his way.

    I think that most people see Ukraine is nothing more than a money laundering
    system. Tax dollars in, enrich a few Elitists out.

    Mad Vlad knows he is losing his "special military operation" in
    Ukraine. Losing big time. Ukraine has taken back over 50% of the
    territory it had lost early on due to Russia's aggrsssion, and
    is winning in the Black Sea and elsewhere.

    But hey. I can understand why you are so upset. It is not easy
    being a loser. Especially after your orange clown lost to Biden -
    by over 7 million votes - in the last election.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 14 16:23:25 2023
    I believe it is Russia's fault the war started as they invaded. You
    could call it Zelenski's fault in the sense that he didn't just cave to Russia's demands.

    I used to like calling it "Biden's fault" but that logic will backfire on me. He clearly did nothing about it when Russian troops began camping along the Ukraine border. The time to act was then. But I don't want the gimp taking the blame now, because then that means that the USA is responsible.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Thu Dec 14 16:25:19 2023
    The money is already approved of. It comes from the DoD's budget. All it takes from Biden is an executive order to the DoD -- the House has nothing to do with this, to the cult members' chagrin.

    Even a Swede like me knows this, so why don't you?

    It sounds wrong. Mike knows better. I trust what he said.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Dec 14 16:33:46 2023
    President Zelenskyy returned to Ukraine, full of hope, happy
    that Biden had given him $200 million in militry assistance to
    continue his campaign against the evil Mad Vlad. This is on
    top of the $75 billion already given to him by the US.

    Maybe that's what Bjorn is talking about. The poor guy doesn't get his facts straight sometimes ;)

    Ukraine has retaken over 50% of the territory taken by Russia,
    and continues to make advances in a war that has gone on for
    almost two years. President Zelenskyy refuses to cede territory
    to an enemy he knows will refuse to honor any peace deal, so
    the fight goes on for Ukraine's very survival - both as a
    country and a people.

    That explains a lot, but it leaves one thing unexplained: How is it the American taxpayers' faults?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Dec 14 16:35:08 2023
    Some Republicans in Congress are holding aid to Ukraine hostage
    as a means of getting support for their positions on immigration
    reform. Putin and his gang of thugs are cheering them on.

    I'm cheering them on also. I can't bring myself to care about Ukraine or any other failed state. Vlodymir needs to get a real job (and he'll probably need to shave before they hire him at Taco Bell.)

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 15 01:36:04 2023
    Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2023-12-15 00:25:

    It sounds wrong. Mike knows better. I trust what he said.

    I know that you are not Christian, but you might still be able to learn something from the bible:

    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

    Matthew 7:15

    "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

    Matthew 24:11

    "Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet"
    "And that prophet shall be put to death"

    Deuteronomy 13:3-5

    Poor Mike, that's even a divine death sentence, do you really wanna join him?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 15 07:46:32 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I wonder what the media gets out of it?

    They get the continued subsidy that keeps them afloat.

    Most media outlets are hurting really bad financially. The ironic thing is that the reason they are hurting is that people stopped watching mostly because we know that they are untrustworthy. But to keep afloat, they have to keep broadcasting the lies, to keep getting their subsidy - but that makes people stop watching.

    Obviously it's Zelenski's fault if he loses the "war" and it's
    Zelenski's fault that there is a "war" in the first place, but the
    media wants the American people to feel like it's all *their* fault.

    They do what their masters tell them.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Fri Dec 15 07:46:32 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    At this point I am not sure if he is lying about things like your
    example, or if he just thinks he can because he's that far out of touch with reality.

    When he was younger, he probably knew he was lying. Now he's so drugged up all the time, plus the dementia, he probably has no idea what reality is - just like most of his supporters.

    Either way, it is not a good thing.

    No, it's not.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Fri Dec 15 06:29:53 2023
    I wonder what the media gets out of it?

    They get the continued subsidy that keeps them afloat.

    From the government? Or from ultra wealthy elites?

    Most media outlets are hurting really bad financially. The ironic thing is that the reason they are hurting is that people stopped watching

    I'm nauseated by the media. I don't know if it's them doing it to me, or if it's Biden's destruction of the country. It's getting to me though. I'm going to refrain from reading/watching any more national news until Biden is removed.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Fri Dec 15 06:27:12 2023
    I know that you are not Christian, but you might still be able to
    learn something from the bible:

    2000 dead people at the US-Mexico border isn't Christian. Poisoning America with fentanyl isn't Christian. But yet, your people keep doing it.

    You're not a bad guy, but it's the company that you keep.

    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

    Mike's a false prophet? But Gargamel is not?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Dec 15 08:58:00 2023
    I believe it is Russia's fault the war started as they invaded. You could call it Zelenski's fault in the sense that he didn't just cave to Russia's demands.

    I used to like calling it "Biden's fault" but that logic will backfire on me.
    clearly did nothing about it when Russian troops began camping along the Ukra
    e border. The time to act was then. But I don't want the gimp taking the blame
    ow, because then that means that the USA is responsible.

    You make multiple good points here. ;)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 15 16:12:10 2023
    2000 dead people at the US-Mexico border isn't Christian. Poisoning America with fentanyl isn't Christian. But yet, your people keep doing it.

    Really. I didn't know that Sweden did all that. Please send links to this news.

    But you are right, those that are responsible for all the tragedies happening at the Mexican border are definitely not Christian.

    But, then again, it's difficult to find any true Christians (living by the teachings of Christ) in the USA. The only group I can think of is the Amish people.

    After all:

    Jesus said: "Feed the hungry,"
    Never said: "...but only if they have papers."

    Jesus said: "Clothe the naked."
    Never said: "...but only if they are from your own country."

    Jesus said: "Help the poor."
    Never said: "...but only if there is something in it for you."

    Jesus said: "Love your neighbour."
    Never said: "...but only if they look like you."



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Fri Dec 15 15:32:49 2023
    2000 dead people at the US-Mexico border isn't Christian. Poisoning America with fentanyl isn't Christian. But yet, your people keep doin

    Really. I didn't know that Sweden did all that. Please send links to this news.

    Your people are the globalists. Joe Biden is your people. Isn't that why you often defend everything that he and the other Democrats do?

    But, then again, it's difficult to find any true Christians (living
    by the teachings of Christ) in the USA. The only group I can think of is the Amish people.

    I like the Amish people too. They aren't brainwashed by the media.

    Jesus said: "Feed the hungry,"
    Never said: "...but only if they have papers."

    That's common sense to me. If I know somebody is hungry, I'll feed them if I can. But I won't put all the world's hungry people on a train and send it at full speed to the USA border.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 02:30:03 2023
    Your people are the globalists.

    I see. Just because I believe that all those politically drawn borders are totally wrong (only us humans abide by them) and that we should all unite into one big community without any wars, I am a bad person? "I have a dream..."

    Joe Biden is your people. Isn't that why
    you often defend everything that he and the other Democrats do?

    That's the most stupid thing I've heard this week. Your politicians, from left to right, are as a collective, the most imperialist, fascist and corrupt ones in all the free world, with just a handful of exceptions. And worst of all of them are of course the MAGA Cult 45.

    For example, what loophole in 18 U.S.C. 201 have the US public officials found that protects them from being charged with bribery? In particular this part:

    (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:

    (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;

    I like the Amish people too. They aren't brainwashed by the media.

    They aren't, but you are, you just don't realize it. And unlike you, they read the Bible and follow Christ's lead.

    Jesus said: "Feed the hungry,"
    Never said: "...but only if they have papers."

    That's common sense to me.

    Exactly. Y'all abide by what *you* think is common sense, not by what Christ tells you. Pure definition of a non-Christian. I rest my case.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 07:37:25 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    Obviously it's Zelenski's fault if he loses the "war" and it's Zelenski's fault that there is a "war" in the first place, but the media wants the American people to feel like it's all *their* fault.

    Republican politicians who refuse to approve supplemental aid to
    Ukraine are traitors, as they would be allowing Vladimir Putin to
    have his way in his full scale aggression. Those who support those
    Republican politicians are also traitors.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 07:37:31 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    The money is already approved of. It comes from the DoD's budget.
    All
    it takes from Biden is an executive order to the DoD -- the House has
    nothing to do with this, to the cult members' chagrin.

    Even a Swede like me knows this, so why don't you?

    It sounds wrong. Mike knows better. I trust what he said.

    Mike is both a fool, and an idiot. Not necessarily in that order.
    With you in the picture, that makes two.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 07:37:37 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    President Zelenskyy returned to Ukraine, full of hope, happy
    that Biden had given him $200 million in militry assistance to
    continue his campaign against the evil Mad Vlad. This is on
    top of the $75 billion already given to him by the US.

    Maybe that's what Bjorn is talking about. The poor guy doesn't get his facts
    straight sometimes ;)

    The USA has sent Ukraine $75 billion in supplemental aid to Ukraine,
    sll in complaince with US and inteernational law, Mpre than 50 other
    countries have sent Ukraine $100 billion in such aid.

    Those are facts that are known to all - including Zelenskyy.

    Ukraine has retaken over 50% of the territory taken by Russia,
    and continues to make advances in a war that has gone on for
    almost two years. President Zelenskyy refuses to cede territory
    to an enemy he knows will refuse to honor any peace deal, so
    the fight goes on for Ukraine's very survival - both as a
    country and a people.

    That explains a lot, but it leaves one thing unexplained: How is it the American taxpayers' faults?

    Would you rather we use our tax dollars to send you overseas to
    fight the Russians in Poland? Or in Lithuania? Or in Latvia? Or in
    Estonia? Or in Germany? I mean, you already said you don't give
    a fuck about Ukraine or what happens to its people.

    Might as well have your Orange Jesus wave the white flag and
    give Vladimir Putin everything he wants. Including the very place
    where you live.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 07:37:43 2023
    Hello Aaron,

    Some Republicans in Congress are holding aid to Ukraine hostage
    as a means of getting support for their positions on immigration
    reform. Putin and his gang of thugs are cheering them on.

    I'm cheering them on also.

    Move to Russia. Your hero will be more than happy to use you
    as cannon fodder in Ukraine.

    I can't bring myself to care about Ukraine or any other failed state.

    Make your Orange Jesus happy by taking him with you to Russia.

    Vlodymir needs to get a real job (and he'll probably need to shave before they hire him at Taco Bell.)

    He doesn't suck Vladimir Putin's dick. Unlike Orange Jesus -
    and a few participants in this echo.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 16 09:30:34 2023
    Lee Lofaso -> Aaron Thomas skrev 2023-12-16 07:37:
    With you in the picture, that makes two.

    With Ron and IB, that makes four, who are making up for 95% of all the worthless spam in this echo.



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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 08:09:17 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I wonder what the media gets out of it?

    They get the continued subsidy that keeps them afloat.

    From the government? Or from ultra wealthy elites?

    The direct link is the ultra wealthy Elitists. But groups like the Biden
    Crime Family funnel tax dollars into the Elitists. So it's a little of both.

    I'm nauseated by the media. I don't know if it's them doing it to me,
    or if it's Biden's destruction of the country. It's getting to me
    though. I'm going to refrain from reading/watching any more national
    news until Biden is removed.

    I stopped watching national news a long time ago. I got tired of them insulting my intelligence and feeding me propaganda. When the scamdemic hit and the local news started doing it heavily, I stopped watching all "news".


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sat Dec 16 10:39:50 2023
    Joe Biden is your people. Isn't that why
    you often defend everything that he and the other Democrats do?

    That's the most stupid thing I've heard this week. Your politicians, from left to right, are as a collective, the most imperialist, fascist
    and corrupt ones in all the free world, with just a handful of
    exceptions. And worst of all of them are of course the MAGA Cult 45.

    According to Meriam-Webster, fascism is a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    Fascism is most commonly associated with Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, with embracing violence as a reformative tool and dismantling democracy.

    A simple Internet search will reveal that Donald Trump is not and has not ever been a Fascist, nor will he be in the future.

    Donald Trump is also correct when he points to Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Additionally Trump is right when he speaks to how Joe Biden is not respected by any World Leader or Nation State.

    https://www.diffen.com/difference/Donald-Trump-vs-Joe-Biden

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 16 10:50:29 2023
    On 16 Dec 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    Obviously it's Zelenski's fault if he loses the "war" and it's Zelensk
    fault that there is a "war" in the first place, but the media wants th
    American people to feel like it's all *their* fault.

    Republican politicians who refuse to approve supplemental aid to
    Ukraine are traitors, as they would be allowing Vladimir Putin to
    have his way in his full scale aggression. Those who support those Republican politicians are also traitors.

    National Debt as this post is approx. 33,920,602,300,000
    For a up to the moment assessment of the current U.S. debt
    visit: https://www.usdebtclock.org/#

    Currently the U.S. Congress has provided 46 Billion dollars for Military Aid to Ukraine.
    Individual combined amount that has been provided by other nation states has been 100 Billion dollars.

    When is it enough?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Sat Dec 16 11:24:23 2023
    Your people are the globalists.

    I see. Just because I believe that all those politically drawn
    borders are totally wrong (only us humans abide by them) and that we should all unite into one big community without any wars, I am a bad person? "I have a dream..."

    It doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a "globalist" and a "socialist." Martin Luther King had a dream of men and women being treated equally, and we lived under that utopia for the past 50 years, but globalists are cutting the era short by replacing equality with what they call "equity." Fortunately for your people, most Americans are too stupid to realize that the two words are not synonymous, and they don't even know the difference; they're just copying and pasting from the media.

    That's the most stupid thing I've heard this week. Your politicians, from left to right, are as a collective, the most imperialist, fascist
    and corrupt ones in all the free world, with just a handful of
    exceptions. And worst of all of them are of course the MAGA Cult 45.

    I almost agreed with you on that! But my "MAGA cult" simply carries the torch that was lit by Martin Luther King; we're interested in equality, and equal opportunities for all Americans. We're not interested in world government, and we're nationalists.

    For example, what loophole in 18 U.S.C. 201 have the US public officials found that protects them from being charged with bribery? In particular this part:

    (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any
    other person or entity, in return for:

    It's guys like Joe Biden, globalists, who take part in those activities. For example: (and this is all according to the lying media but it can't all be wrong) They say that Joe wanted a Ukrainian prosecutor fired, but Joe isn't technically in charge of other countries, so he used military aid (US taxpayer revenue) to leverage the firing of the prosecutor. Had the Ukrainian regime refused to fire him, then they wouldn't get the military aid (taxpayer revenue.) It's corrupt, it's Democrats, it's Ukrainians, it's bribery, it's globalism. My MAGA cult and I stand firmly against such international interference.

    I like the Amish people too. They aren't brainwashed by the media.

    They aren't, but you are, you just don't realize it. And unlike you, they read the Bible and follow Christ's lead.

    Maybe it seemed ideal to Christ for the world to become 1 global government, but that's not ideal anymore. How would gay people fit into the equation? Just burn them all to death?

    And how do you know that Amish people aren't brainwashed by their religion? While everyone else is driving around in heated cars, they're freezing their amish butts off in open-air carriages. And the amish word hard for their money; do you think they wanna just share everything they worked so hard for with freeloaders who refuse to work? Because that's what Jesus would do? Give me a break. They're not going to buy your bs.

    That's common sense to me.

    Exactly. Y'all abide by what *you* think is common sense, not by what Christ tells you. Pure definition of a non-Christian. I rest my case.

    I consider myself an upstanding Christian, and everyone who knows me well would agree. But not everyone cares what Christ said or did; he's not everlasting life through the eyes of the Jews or the Muslims, but yet you want everyone to live under the laws of 1 international government? And that international government doesn't care about Christ one bit; in fact, it's Satan who's appeased by all the deaths along the border and the selfish taking of goods and services that other people worked hard for.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 16 11:29:50 2023
    fault that there is a "war" in the first place, but the media wants t American people to feel like it's all *their* fault.

    Republican politicians who refuse to approve supplemental aid to
    Ukraine are traitors, as they would be allowing Vladimir Putin to
    have his way in his full scale aggression. Those who support those Republican politicians are also traitors.

    Democrats who refuse to approve aid to the United States CBP are the traitors. While our country's sovereignty is under attack, you want us to give 67 billion dollars to an overglorified member of the media who's refuses to get a job and is trying to defend a failed state situated on former USSR territory.

    Fix the border. Get rid of the lying freeloaders. Pay off the debt. Then we'll toss some paper towels to your bearded wanna be leader.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 16 11:36:03 2023
    That explains a lot, but it leaves one thing unexplained: How is it t American taxpayers' faults?

    Would you rather we use our tax dollars to send you overseas to
    fight the Russians in Poland? Or in Lithuania? Or in Latvia? Or in

    Yea, that way I can be responsible for what happens instead of some guy who don't know how to shave, and don't know how to communicate with neighboring countries, but knows how to waste money that actual hard-working people earned.

    What do you do when your furnace stops working? Just pour some money on it? Do you even take a peek at the owner's manual? Throwing money in the trash is irresponsible; get the owner's manual out and fix that bad boy yourself.

    Might as well have your Orange Jesus wave the white flag and
    give Vladimir Putin everything he wants. Including the very place
    where you live.

    Biden has already destroyed my sense of security, and I won't tell you how to live, but you ought to be prepared to fight with foreign terrorists because Joe's welcoming them in on a daily basis by the thousands, all in the name of Democrat votes.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 16 11:40:13 2023
    Vlodymir needs to get a real job (and he'll probably need to shave be they hire him at Taco Bell.)

    He doesn't suck Vladimir Putin's dick. Unlike Orange Jesus -
    and a few participants in this echo.

    He totally does. That's why he let him deploy troops all over the northern border and did nothing about it. Forcing women and children into Poland is not what leaders do. Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army isn't what leaders do.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Sat Dec 16 11:49:11 2023
    They get the continued subsidy that keeps them afloat.

    From the government? Or from ultra wealthy elites?

    The direct link is the ultra wealthy Elitists. But groups like the Biden Crime Family funnel tax dollars into the Elitists. So it's a little of both.

    I found an article on American Thinker that sheds light on this subject:

    The media gets paid by Democrats to propagate their agenda. I had heard about this process before, but I didn't realize how simple it actually is (i.e. Democrats paid Facebook to censor discussions about covid vaccines and Hunter's laptop.)

    That's just one example; but it makes sense that all of the media and their celebrity puppets are paid by Democrats for their "endorsements." I still believe in your conclusion (about the Democrats having dirt on on the celebrities) but since they can't all have tons and tons of dirty laundry, many of them are probably just fully aware of financial benefits from having a Democrat in office.

    https://tinyurl.com/3ruc7au8
    (American Thinker article claims Biden regime paid news outlets to promote covid shots, and I believe it!)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 15:49:48 2023
    Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army isn't what leaders do.

    Ukraine (or Zelenski if you prefer) is not forcing anyone or anything, never did.

    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 15:50:48 2023
    I found an article on American Thinker that sheds light on this subject:

    The media gets paid by Democrats to propagate their agenda.

    What a mindless talking point.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 16 19:08:43 2023
    On 16 Dec 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    Fascism is most commonly associated with Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, with embracing violence as a reformative
    tool and dismantling democracy.

    Yep.

    A simple Internet search will reveal that Donald Trump is not and has
    not ever been a Fascist, nor will he be in the future.

    True. He's an imperialist and a wannabe autocrat. Also a bandwagon politician. He could have just as easily jumped on the hate and anger on the far right is more popular than it is on the far left.

    Donald Trump is also correct when he points to Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Additionally Trump is right when he speaks to how Joe Biden is not respected by any World Leader or Nation State.

    Both are showing signs of cognitive decline. Happens when we get old. I believe Biden is a lot more respected outside of the US than Trump but don't follow enough outside of my own little world to know for sure.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sat Dec 16 17:37:02 2023
    Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army i what leaders do.

    Ukraine (or Zelenski if you prefer) is not forcing anyone or anything, never did.

    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

    That's just passing the blame. Zelenski is a terrible disgrace of a leader.

    No state is 100% safe from a coup, not even China. Leaders have to take precautions. Leaders need to have diplomatic communication with potential aggressors. Leaders need to know how to keep civilians out of harm's reach.

    If someone robs a convenience store, the convenience store personnel have precautions that they follow to minimize injury to the store clerks. They do not have policies that call for "send the customers to a neighboring business, and smack the robber in the head with a carton of smokes."

    This is why convenience stores are more competent and successful than Zelenski and Ukraine.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Dec 16 16:59:02 2023
    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

    That's just passing the blame. Zelenski is a terrible disgrace of a leader.

    Bzzt. I'll say it again. It was/is Russia who attcked Ukraine.

    That is not passing blame. That is a fact. A simple fact.

    No state is 100% safe from a coup, not even China. Leaders have to take precautions. Leaders need to have diplomatic communication with potential aggressors. Leaders need to know how to keep civilians out of harm's reach.

    No kidding. Even the US seems to have coup issues.

    If someone robs a convenience store, the convenience store personnel have precautions that they follow to minimize injury to the store clerks. They do not have policies that call for "send the customers to a neighboring business, and smack the robber in the head with a carton of smokes."

    If someone robs a convenience store you don't blame the store for that.

    This is why convenience stores are more competent and successful than Zelenski and Ukraine.

    Your comparison is a few yards (miles) off.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Dec 17 15:36:26 2023
    Hello Greg,

    Joe Biden is your people. Isn't that why
    you often defend everything that he and the other Democrats do?

    That's the most stupid thing I've heard this week. Your politicians,
    from left to right, are as a collective, the most imperialist, fascist
    and corrupt ones in all the free world, with just a handful of
    exceptions. And worst of all of them are of course the MAGA Cult 45.

    According to Meriam-Webster, fascism is a political philosophy, movement, or
    regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    You haven't got a clue as to what fascism is.

    Fascism is most commonly associated with Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolf
    Hitler's Nazi Germany, with embracing violence as a reformative tool and dismantling democracy.

    Benito Mussolini coined the term, with his own meaning, which was
    used as the basis for his own party's political ideology. Eventually,
    his own party voted him out of office and arrested him, putting him
    in jail for his bad behavior.

    Germany had a cult of personality, that of Adolf Hitler. Nothing
    fascist about it. Not even a political ideology, as Adolf Hitler was
    an actual person.

    A simple Internet search will reveal that Donald Trump is not and has not ever been a Fascist, nor will he be in the future.

    Alan Singer says you're full of shit (the real brown & smelly stuff) -

    An American fascist seeking power would not proclaim that he is a
    fascist. Fascism always camouflages its plans and purposes . . .
    Any fascist attempt to gain power in America would not use the exact
    Hitler pattern. It would work under the guise of ‘super-patriotism’
    and ‘super-American- ism’….

    [I]t is vitally important to learn to spot them [the fascists], even
    though they adopt names and slogans with popular appeal, drape
    themselves with the American flag, and attempt to carry out their
    program in the name of the democracy they are trying to destroy . . .
    In its bid for power, it is ready to drive wedges that will disunite
    the people and weaken the nation. It supplies the scapegoat —
    Catholics, Jews, Negroes, labor unions, big business — any group
    upon which the insecure and unemployed are willing to blame.

    They become frightened, angry, desperate, confused. Many, in their
    misery, seek to find somebody to blame . . . The resentment may be
    directed against minorities — especially if undemocratic organizations
    with power and money can direct our emotions and thinking along these
    lines.

    Donald Trump is also correct when he points to Joe Biden's cognitive decline.

    Donald Trump - 4 indictments, 91 counts.

    He'll understand what those numbers mean soon enough.

    Additionally Trump is right when he speaks to how Joe Biden is not respected
    by any World Leader or Nation State.

    Trump speaks high praise about his hero, Vladimir Putin.
    So I wouldn't give him much stock in anything else he says.
    But then, I am not a fascist.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Richard Miles on Sun Dec 17 10:52:54 2023
    True. He's an imperialist and a wannabe autocrat. Also a bandwagon politician. He could have just as easily jumped on the hate and anger on the far right is more popular than it is on the far left.

    Donald Trump has always surrounded himself in luxury that his massive wealth has afforded him, but he does not allow the gold walls of his estate or the luxurious lifestyle effect him to where he is out of touch with the American People that he cares so much about.

    Joe Biden in compassion can't even move a beach chair without struggling. Additionally his cognitive state seen in the way he communicates or even walks, not to mention the Biden gaffes that are all over the Internet.
    Biden has not represented strength and vitality at any point in his Presidency. His VP is also horrible - when she's talking, she sounds like she is speaking at a 3rd grade level. If I can see Biden's weakness so can World Leaders.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Dec 17 10:34:00 2023
    Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army isn't >> what leaders do.

    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

    Yes. If a country invaded Candada or the US, I suspect our leaders would
    be drafting folks from those professions (and most others) to defend our countries, too. That is what happens when you get invaded.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RICHARD MILES on Sun Dec 17 11:11:00 2023
    True. He's an imperialist and a wannabe autocrat. Also a bandwagon politician. >e could have just as easily jumped on the hate and anger on the far right is mo
    e popular than it is on the far left.

    I disagree re: far right vs. far left. IMHO, going too far to either side
    is likely to get you into plenty of hate and anger. The difference being
    the anger of the left will often be portrayed as "justified" in the press. Otherwise, either far side is hateful and difficult to get along with.

    As an example, if you let a left-leaner know that, while you support the
    right of someone to live as a transgender, you won't "celebrate" their
    choice, OR you don't think they should compete in women's sports, OR you
    don't think that books depicting sexual interactions between minors are appropriate for elementary school kids, you will see what anger and hate
    are real quick.

    For that matter, I have found all I have to do is bring up Dr. Seuss.

    Both are showing signs of cognitive decline. Happens when we get old. I believe
    Biden is a lot more respected outside of the US than Trump but don't follow eno
    gh outside of my own little world to know for sure.

    The difference here is that when Trump was in office, many were trying to
    get us to believe that his decline was far worse than it was. Now that we
    have a President who is showing that far-worse level of decline, it is
    mostly ignored... at least until it gets too bad to ignore.

    As for the respect outside of the US, I think it depends on where you are looking. China, for example, likes Biden more for sure, but I don't think
    it is respect we are seeing. Russia, Hamas, and several others certainly
    don't respect Biden at all. Israel does not appear to, either.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Dec 17 10:47:00 2023
    Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army what leaders do.

    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

    That's just passing the blame. Zelenski is a terrible disgrace of a leader.

    Zelenski might be a disgrace for other reasons (suppressing oppossing
    political parties, canceling elections, constantly begging us for money, etc.) but I have to agree with Alan on this one. Russia invaded Ukraine so I
    would not expect anything less than an attempt to defend their country.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 17 11:56:36 2023
    You haven't got a clue as to what fascism is.

    You and your kind surely do not have any clue.
    It's about time, that you and yours will soon will be crushed.
    (especially with your poster boy Biden, who is a lousy representative for all of the smack-talk that you're doing.)

    Donald Trump - 4 indictments, 91 counts.

    It used to be (and it carried on for quite a while)
    Donald Trump is not going to be the President.
    Trump was guilty of Russian interference, The Russian Dossier,
    The Mueller Report, 2 overzealous impeachments that ended with 2 acquittals.

    NONE of these have any merit. 4 indictments or the 91 counts are completely worthless. That future is not looking bright for these phony charges, as the Supreme Court will soon intervene.

    Then the raging flame-war will be reduced to a spark and flicker, as it runs out of fuel, clearing the path for what will be. "The best is yet to come."

    Truth is the Dems are terrified of him and they also crave power, (this) will be their undoing. Has it ever occurred to you and the delusional left that Donald Trump has been really resilient and nothing seems to stick.
    J6 is laughable. The Case in NY - all of it is nothing. Worthless.
    The Truth will be revealed and so will the filthy efforts of the left to destroy this man.
    https://tinyurl.com/yc24dfec
    https://tinyurl.com/4bwxnpxd

    Tell me, are you better off now or do you know anyone who is better off under Biden then Trump. If so tell me and be as specific as you can with details can be verified and referenced.


    Trump speaks high praise about his hero, Vladimir Putin.
    So I wouldn't give him much stock in anything else he says.
    But then, I am not a fascist.

    To spite this, even what you say WAS remotely true. (and it is not)
    Trump is leading in the polls.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Dec 17 13:00:00 2023
    On 17 Dec 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    Donald Trump has always surrounded himself in luxury that his massive wealth has afforded him, but he does not allow the gold walls of his estate or the luxurious lifestyle effect him to where he is out of touch with the American People that he cares so much about.

    I just don't believe that. He puts on a good show but that's it in my eyes. The misogyny is also a non-starter.

    Joe Biden in compassion can't even move a beach chair without struggling. Additionally his cognitive state seen in the way he communicates or even walks, not to mention the Biden gaffes that are all over the Internet. Biden has not represented strength and vitality at any point in his Presidency. His VP is also horrible - when she's talking, she sounds
    like she is speaking at a 3rd grade level. If I can see Biden's
    weakness so can World Leaders.

    Some unfortunate truths. Still the lesser of two evils for me. I was and conservative for a long time and voted that way as well but all I see now is evil (not just from the republicans but that's where most of it is). At least on the state level (I'm in Georgia) I've got a respectable Governor currently. I don't agree with all of the policies on the right, particularly when it comes to alternative lifestyles, but have a ton of respect for Kemp.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Dec 17 14:11:46 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The media gets paid by Democrats to propagate their agenda. I had heard about this process before, but I didn't realize how simple it actually
    is (i.e. Democrats paid Facebook to censor discussions about covid vaccines and Hunter's laptop.)

    But we've known about this for a long, long time now.

    That's just one example; but it makes sense that all of the media and their celebrity puppets are paid by Democrats for their "endorsements."
    I still believe in your conclusion (about the Democrats having dirt on
    on the celebrities) but since they can't all have tons and tons of
    dirty laundry, many of them are probably just fully aware of financial benefits from having a Democrat in office.

    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find their careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and try to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Dec 17 17:55:22 2023
    Forcing miners and flight attendants to fight against the Russian army >> what leaders do.

    It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and continues their attacks, even today.

    Yes. If a country invaded Candada or the US, I suspect our leaders would be drafting folks from those professions (and most others) to defend our countries, too. That is what happens when you get invaded.

    Perhaps! But I'd feel better about it if my president actually tried to avert the invasion first. Either Zelenski and/or Biden should have averted the invasion; not just let it happen and then tell everyone to put their war boots on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Sun Dec 17 17:59:36 2023
    I still believe in your conclusion (about the Democrats having dirt o on the celebrities) but since they can't all have tons and tons of dirty laundry, many of them are probably just fully aware of financia benefits from having a Democrat in office.

    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find their careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and try
    to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Can you think of any that fit into that category? Some of them have had opportunities to trash Trump and didn't act on it, I suppose.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Richard Miles on Mon Dec 18 01:23:25 2023
    On 17 Dec 2023, Richard Miles said the following...

    On 17 Dec 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    Donald Trump has always surrounded himself in luxury that his massive wealth has afforded him, but he does not allow the gold walls of his estate or the luxurious lifestyle effect him to where he is out of tou
    with the American People that he cares so much about.

    I just don't believe that. He puts on a good show but that's it in my eyes. The misogyny is also a non-starter.

    Ok, If that is your opinion then ok. However by the election time next year you will have 4 years of Joe Biden as President.

    You currently have 4 years of Trump. and soon it will be 4 yrs of Biden.
    You do the math, Trump is clear winner in many categories

    S-tamina - Energizer Holdings you might want to re-think your mascot! U-nbreakable - so much has been thrown at this man, and still he stands tall! P-assionate - about that anyone can succeed!
    E-nthusiastic - about America and the Best is Yet to Come!
    R-esilient - Standing like Champion!
    I-nnovative - Built a Great Organization!
    O-ptimistic - About our Future with a 2024 Victory!
    R-esurrection - Make America Great Again!

    Sounds Superior to me also...

    I know Trump will not disappoint, Trump Supporters everywhere will be like
    "I told you so." The Best is Yet to Come.

    Joe Biden in compassion can't even move a beach chair without struggli RM> GD> Additionally his cognitive state seen in the way he communicates or ev RM> GD> walks, not to mention the Biden gaffes that are all over the Internet. RM> GD> Biden has not represented strength and vitality at any point in his
    Presidency. His VP is also horrible - when she's talking, she sounds RM> GD> like she is speaking at a 3rd grade level. If I can see Biden's
    weakness so can World Leaders.

    Some unfortunate truths. Still the lesser of two evils for me. I was and RM> conservative for a long time and voted that way as well but all I see
    now is evil (not just from the republicans but that's where most of it

    I did not see Republican party of the past as evil, but I find them to be nearly useless. To this very day I am not a member of the Republican Party.
    I am a Conservative. Why do I find the majority of them to be useless, it is due to the arrogance - they do as they dam well please, thinking that they are untouchable and seemly forget about the people who put them into Washington.
    With Trump The Forgotten man is forgotten no longer.

    After many years of Republicans providing dismal results
    - getting nearly nothing done.
    Then Trump came along. - Knocking the Ball out of the Park.
    Speaking about China and how the U.S. has been for years ripped off by China via politicians enriching themselves and selling out America.

    Even before Trump become the President in 2016 he did many great things for a good many people.
    It was September 1986, and Annabel Hill, 66, was facing an auction where she would lose the farm that had been in her family for five generations.
    Read about here.
    https://tinyurl.com/yhryypw4

    Some did not like the brash way he talked.
    Some did not like the tweets.
    Some nodded along in complete agreement to what he was saying, even
    admitting "The Donald" was saying what most folks were thinking.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Dec 18 07:39:08 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find their careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and try
    to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Can you think of any that fit into that category? Some of them have had opportunities to trash Trump and didn't act on it, I suppose.

    Kevin Sorbo. Kirk Cameron. James Woods. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'd have to do more legwork to find more since some of them left Hollywood voluntarily.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Mon Dec 18 08:24:23 2023
    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find th careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and t to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Can you think of any that fit into that category? Some of them have h opportunities to trash Trump and didn't act on it, I suppose.

    Kevin Sorbo. Kirk Cameron. James Woods. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'd have to do more legwork to find more since some of them left Hollywood voluntarily.

    I think those guys endorsed Trump, just maybe without using the words "I endorse Trump."

    It does seem like they have no place in Hollywood anymore. That's what makes me like them so much. Especially Kirk Cameron. I'm a Christian also, and I love it when people shove God down other peoples' throats. They need it. Candace Cameron knows what's up also.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Dec 18 17:43:07 2023
    Hello Björn,

    With you in the picture, that makes two.

    With Ron and IB, that makes four, who are making up for 95% of all the worthless spam in this echo.

    Yes, I know. But who's counting?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Dec 18 11:35:00 2023
    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find their careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and try to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Can you think of any that fit into that category? Some of them have had opport
    ities to trash Trump and didn't act on it, I suppose.

    Kelsey Grammar is back on (streaming) TV again, but I have not seen him in
    much else for a while. The lady who briefly co-starred with him on a FOX
    TV show, and was later the lead female character on "The Middle".... I
    forget her name, was also on "Everybody Loves Raymond"... has also not been
    in much lately that I've noticed. IIRC, she was also at least somewhat conservative.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Mon Dec 18 21:45:01 2023
    Kelsey Grammar is back on (streaming) TV again, ...

    It is a detail, perhaps, and demonstrating a good grammar is also nice, but his name is 'Grammer' ... :-)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Dec 18 14:20:28 2023
    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities and to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Can you think of any that fit into that category? Some of them have had opport
    ities to trash Trump and didn't act on it, I suppose.

    Kelsey Grammar is back on (streaming) TV again, but I have not seen him
    in much else for a while. The lady who briefly co-starred with him on a FOX TV show, and was later the lead female character on "The Middle"....
    I forget her name, was also on "Everybody Loves Raymond"... has also not been in much lately that I've noticed. IIRC, she was also at least somewhat conservative.

    Yea that's Patricia Heaton. But I swear that she has actually endorsed Trump. I'm wondering who would fit into the category of "Refused to endorse Trump."

    I'm thinking maybe Bill Maher is one of them. He won't endorse Trump, but he'll point out a few of Biden's flaws to give the illusion of "I'm not a Biden-lover."

    Thomas Sowell (I love that guy) might fit into this category; he doesn't trash Trump, but he doesn't endorse him either. The best he did for Trump was say "He was better than the previous president."

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Dec 19 08:02:23 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I think those guys endorsed Trump, just maybe without using the words
    "I endorse Trump."

    Of course, to the Ignorant Elitists, if you are not for their point of view, you are against it.

    It does seem like they have no place in Hollywood anymore. That's what makes me like them so much. Especially Kirk Cameron. I'm a Christian
    also, and I love it when people shove God down other peoples' throats. They need it. Candace Cameron knows what's up also.

    We've always known that Hollywood was decadent. But now I think that it's mostly downright evil.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Tue Dec 19 11:15:00 2023
    Kelsey Grammar is back on (streaming) TV again, ...

    It is a detail, perhaps, and demonstrating a good grammar is also nice, but his
    name is 'Grammer' ... :-)

    Thanks, I never can remember. ;) I was actually more worried about misspelling his first name.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Dec 19 11:18:00 2023
    But there's also the "celebrities" who refuse to endorce, and find
    careers cut short. Think of some more conservative celebrities an
    to remember when you last saw them star in a movie.

    Yea that's Patricia Heaton. But I swear that she has actually endorsed Trump. m wondering who would fit into the category of "Refused to endorse Trump."

    Correct. In that first sentence, I thought Ron meant "refused to endorse" the Democrats and their candidates. He then asked if you can remember the last time some more conservative celebs stared in anything big because those would be the ones that wouldn't have endorsed the Democrats.

    So, in Heaton's case, if she was pro-Trump, she even went beyond the bounds
    of refusing to endorse the Democrats.

    Thomas Sowell (I love that guy) might fit into this category; he doesn't trash >rump, but he doesn't endorse him either. The best he did for Trump was say "He >as better than the previous president."

    Sowell is not really a celebrity, though. That said, I doubt they'd have
    him around to speak at any Ivy League graduations anytime soon.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Tue Dec 19 10:19:24 2023
    It does seem like they have no place in Hollywood anymore. That's wha makes me like them so much. Especially Kirk Cameron. I'm a Christian also, and I love it when people shove God down other peoples' throats They need it. Candace Cameron knows what's up also.

    We've always known that Hollywood was decadent. But now I think that
    it's mostly downright evil.

    I'm glad you see it too! I mean, it's awful that we have to see it, but it's almost impossible to not see it.

    I used to love Family Guy. Peter cracks me up. But they are pushing some crap lately that's gone too far. And instead of laughing out loud like I used to, now the jokes actually make me angry. They are trying to normalize certain stuff, like incest for example, and I resent them for it. I should have taken the cue when Seth McFarlane said "I'm a Democrat" or when Seth McFarlane said "I donated millions of dollars to Biden's campaign."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Tue Dec 19 11:34:12 2023
    So, in Heaton's case, if she was pro-Trump, she even went beyond the bounds of refusing to endorse the Democrats.

    I'm finding that the idea of "they ended their careers by endorsing Trump" isn't as true as I thought..

    Tim Allen, Patricia Heaton, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, they all still get gigs, based on what I see on wikipedia and/or IMDB.COM. The only one who really got demoted was Rosanne Barr, and she kinda deserved it anyway.

    So maybe we've got it all wrong about "Celebrities have to support Democrats in order to keep their careers afloat," but I think it's still correct to say that "There were and are an unprecedented number of celebrities out to get Trump and/or to support Biden."

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Dec 20 12:38:08 2023
    Tim Allen, Patricia Heaton, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, they all still get
    gigs, based on what I see on wikipedia and/or IMDB.COM. The only one who really got demoted was Rosanne Barr, and she kinda deserved it anyway.

    Sometimes good things happen .... We don't have her here anyway. never had, never will.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Dec 20 08:17:47 2023
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    We've always known that Hollywood was decadent. But now I think that
    it's mostly downright evil.

    I'm glad you see it too! I mean, it's awful that we have to see it, but it's almost impossible to not see it.

    But the main reason I see it is because I can remember when it wasn't evil. Decadent somewhat, but not outright evil.

    Sort of like watching the Road Runner cartoons. I remember watching them when I was little. Then I got older and I noticed when they changed things (mostly not showing us when the Coyote goes splat).

    My youngest brother, though, doesn't remember the unedited Road Runner cartoons.

    "Every year is year zero." Right out of Orwell's "1984". Delete history.

    I used to love Family Guy. Peter cracks me up. But they are pushing
    some crap lately that's gone too far. And instead of laughing out loud like I used to, now the jokes actually make me angry. They are trying
    to normalize certain stuff, like incest for example, and I resent them
    for it.

    I've dropped more than a few things because of that. Not because of their personal political leanings, but because they pushed them in their work. As a consumer, I don't have to buy their products.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wed Dec 20 08:17:47 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    Sowell is not really a celebrity, though. That said, I doubt they'd
    have him around to speak at any Ivy League graduations anytime soon.

    Well, Sowell must be in his 90's now. So even if they asked, he's probably decline.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ward Dossche on Wed Dec 20 11:58:12 2023
    Sometimes good things happen .... We don't have her here anyway. never had, never will.

    I always hated Roseanne. She's loud and obnoxious. She shares the same political beliefs as me, but not the same moral beliefs.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Wed Dec 20 12:57:58 2023
    I've dropped more than a few things because of that. Not because of
    their personal political leanings, but because they pushed them in their work. As a consumer, I don't have to buy their products.

    Yea I don't mind that Seth McFarland is a liberal or that he donates to Biden, but I do mind that he's letting his show normalize immoral things, so I've discontinued using his product.

    I'd like to do the same thing with Walmart and other sponsors of immoral things, but their products are more useful, at least.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Dec 20 17:59:34 2023
    Yea I don't mind that Seth McFarland is a liberal or that he donates to Biden, but I do mind that he's letting his show normalize immoral things, so I've discontinued using his product.


    I am far from being a prude, but that show has always been crude. A few episodes here and there were funny, but I have not tried to watch it in several years. I am surprised they are still making new episodes.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wed Dec 20 20:51:58 2023
    I am far from being a prude, but that show has always been crude. A few episodes here and there were funny, but I have not tried to watch it in several years. I am surprised they are still making new episodes.

    I loved that show for a long time, and if they want to joke about incest, then they better joke about it and it better be funny - but this past Sunday they weren't joking about it; Peter (or someone - I forgot who ) said something about it like was a normal thing (there was no punchline) and that irritated me, because for any kids watching, they will take it as "it's no joke and that's a normal thing for some people."

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