• The Trump Case

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Thu Dec 21 09:56:00 2023
    The Colorado case against Trump was not some random act by their Supreme
    Court, and was not brough about by "leftists" or "Democrats." The case was appparently brought about by six *Republicans* who questioned whether or
    not Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. If I am reading the ruling correctly, those 6 Republicans were Colorado's Republican Electors.

    There was a lower court case (October 30-November 17), complete with witnesses and with Trump lawyer's having an opportunity to cross-examine. "The court issued its written final order on November 17, finding, by clear and
    convincing evidence, that the events of January 6 constituted an insurrection and President Trump engaged in that insurrection." However, the lower
    court did not determine that Trump could be removed from the state ballot
    for violating the 14th Ammendment.

    BOTH parties, the "Electors" and Trump, requested on Novemeber 20 that the Colorado Supreme Court review the case. Oral arguements were held on
    December 6. In their ruling, the Court upheld 4-3 that Trump engaged in insurrection but also overturned the lower court ruling that the Colorado SoS could not remove Trump from the ballot. They ruled that the state SoS did have, and should exercise, a legal obligation to remove a candidate from
    the state ballot who was not elligible to hold office per the US
    Constitution.

    The desenting opinion did cite that Trump has yet to be found guilty of insurrection.

    In their ruling, the Colorado Supreme Court did cite previous precidence for removing candidates from state ballots -- and the last time it happened was *NOT* when the South tried to remove Lincoln, despite what a lot of Internet memes might tell you.

    Neal Gorsuch presided over a case involving Colorado in 2012.
    In that case, an Independent candidate who was not born in America was going
    to be on the Colorado ballot running for President. Gorsuch found that, because the candidate was not elligible to hold the office of President per
    the US Constitution, Colorado could remove that candidate from their ballots.

    We need to take the emotion out of all of this and look at the facts. What Colorado did, per previous case precidence, is completely legal and, if
    they believe a Trump candidacy violates the 14th Ammendment, it was also completely in their rights.

    So the ONLY point of agreement/disagreement is whether or not he is an insurrectionist.

    Trump's SCOTUS defense rests on whether or not he is an insurrectionist per
    the requirements of the 14th Ammendment. If the SCOTUS finds that he is, as Colorado did, then he is not Constitutionally able to hold the office and
    can be removed from the ballot.

    They could also side with the lower court and rule that the 14th Amemdment
    does not apply to the President. However, I don't see how they could
    justify this, considering that the President takes a sworn oath to uphold the Constitution so the Amendment almost has to apply to them.

    The SCOTUS could also, per the 14th, kick the issue back to Congress.
    Congress can reinstate a 14th Ammendment violator's rights to hold federal office by a 2/3rds vote in both houses. That is not likely to happen.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 21 09:16:11 2023
    On 21 Dec 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    The Colorado case against Trump was not some random act by their Supreme Court, and was not brough about by "leftists" or "Democrats." The case was appparently brought about by six *Republicans* who questioned
    whether or not Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. If I am reading the ruling correctly, those 6 Republicans were Colorado's Republican Electors.


    Ya... They are part of the Uni-Party... The same one Nikki Clinton belongs too.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Fri Dec 22 19:45:38 2023
    Hello ALL

    Hello Everybody,

    Mike Powell says Donald Trump is from Kenya -

    The Colorado case against Trump was not some random act by their Supreme Court, and was not brough about by "leftists" or "Democrats." The case was
    appparently brought about by six *Republicans* who questioned whether or not Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. If I am reading the ruling correctly, those 6 Republicans were Colorado's Republican Electors.

    It was obvious to all of them that Donald Trump was not a natural
    born citizen, having no business to be on the ballot at all.

    The desenting opinion did cite that Trump has yet to be found guilty of insurrection.

    That was not the issue.

    In their ruling, the Colorado Supreme Court did cite previous precidence for
    removing candidates from state ballots -- and the last time it happened was
    *NOT* when the South tried to remove Lincoln, despite what a lot of Internet
    memes might tell you.

    Courts have removed candidates from state ballots since the founding
    of this country.

    Neal Gorsuch presided over a case involving Colorado in 2012.
    In that case, an Independent candidate who was not born in America was going
    to be on the Colorado ballot running for President. Gorsuch found that, because the candidate was not elligible to hold the office of President per
    the US Constitution, Colorado could remove that candidate from their ballots.

    There you go. Mike Powell said it himself. Donald Trump is a black
    man from Kenya. Not an American citizen at all. Where is his birth
    certificate? The real one, not the fake short piece of paper that
    was shown to the news media ...

    We need to take the emotion out of all of this and look at the facts. What

    Hahahahahaha! Mike Powell, the comedian of Fidonet! Hahahahahaha!

    Colorado did, per previous case precidence, is completely legal and, if they
    believe a Trump candidacy violates the 14th Ammendment, it was also completely in their rights.

    Donald Trump tried to warn them back in 2016 that Barack Obama
    was not a natural born citizen. That's right. The black man from
    Kenya was really from Hawai'i. And he could prove it!

    So the ONLY point of agreement/disagreement is whether or not he is an insurrectionist.

    Cslling for the US to secede from Florida was not the issue ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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