• What languages do you speak or want to learn?

    From keyboardan@keyboardan@tilde.club to tilde.club on Mon Dec 30 20:40:13 2024
    I am curious to know what different languages we know how to speak in
    this community.

    And if you have a language that you are wishing to learn, but still
    haven't quite got the time to get into it.


    I know some of the following languages:
    - Portuguese
    - English
    - Spanish

    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
    - Esperanto
    - Sanskrit
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  • From Patricia Ferreira@pferreira@example.com to tilde.club on Tue Dec 31 11:17:13 2024
    keyboardan <keyboardan@tilde.club> writes:

    I am curious to know what different languages we know how to speak in
    this community.

    And if you have a language that you are wishing to learn, but still
    haven't quite got the time to get into it.


    I know some of the following languages:
    - Portuguese
    - English
    - Spanish

    - Portuguese :)
    - English
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  • From vort3@vort3@tilde.club to tilde.club on Wed Jan 1 06:18:54 2025
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 20:40:13 +0000, keyboardan wrote:
    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
    - Esperanto
    - Sanskrit

    Can't help with any of these.

    I know:
    - Russian

    I want to get more fluent with:
    - English

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  • From Annada Behera@annada@tilde.green to tilde.club on Thu Jan 2 12:41:13 2025
    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
     - Esperanto
     - Sanskrit
    Ah, Sanskrit. It is sister language and very close to my native tongue:
    Odia (or Oriya) which is as old as (if not older) than Sanskrit itself.
    A lot of words are similar and very much inter-understandable.
    I also speak English and wish to learn Russian (and Cyrillic alphabets).
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  • From keyboardan@keyboardan@tilde.club to tilde.club on Thu Jan 2 13:01:44 2025
    Annada Behera <annada@tilde.green> writes:

    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
    - Esperanto
    - Sanskrit

    Ah, Sanskrit. It is sister language and very close to my native tongue:
    Odia (or Oriya) which is as old as (if not older) than Sanskrit itself.
    A lot of words are similar and very much inter-understandable.

    I also speak English and wish to learn Russian (and Cyrillic alphabets).

    That is awesome Annada :-) Odia....

    0. Do you know which is the older language, from that region, that I can
    learn today?

    1. Also, I am looking for a language with beautiful sounding,
    internacionality and easyness in learning (the grammar and such, I know
    I always have to commit to memory new words...).
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  • From Annada Behera@annada@tilde.green to tilde.club on Fri Jan 3 15:27:44 2025
    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
    - Esperanto
    - Sanskrit

    Ah, Sanskrit. It is sister language and very close to my native
    tongue: Odia (or Oriya) which is as old as (if not older) than
    Sanskrit itself. A lot of words are similar and very much
    inter-understandable.

    I also speak English and wish to learn Russian (and Cyrillic
    alphabets).

    That is awesome Annada :-) Odia....

    0. Do you know which is the older language, from that region, that I
    can learn today?
    Sanskrit is the older among the two, but the entire thing is a more
    nuianced. Here is why[1]:
    In ancient India there were two languages: (a) Sanskrit and (b) Prakrit.
    All the Hindu texts (including Vedas, Epics, Upanisads) were in Sanskrit language. Sanskrit was mostly passed down orally among the Brahmans (the
    priest class of the Indian caste system.) The discrimination due to
    Indian caste system forbid any non-Brahmans from enunciating Sanskrit.
    And Brahmans being the upper caste, they will beat you up if you learn
    and speak Sanskrit, back in those days (about 1000 BC).
    So, Prakrit was the language of the common man that was spoken in
    ancient India: (a) Maghadha Kingdom in the North where Maghadha-Prakrit
    was spoken, (b) Kalinga Kingdom in the East where Odra-Prakrit (ancestor
    of Odia) was spoken.
    Maghadha-Prakrit doesn't exist anymore. It got fragmented into many
    Indian languages, which fragmented even more until we reach modern
    languages like Hindi. Odia evolving from Odra-Prakrit is the oldest fork
    from Prakrit language. This is one of the reason why Sanskrit is also
    written in Odia script, apart from more common Devanagari script.
    Sanskrit was a language that was "ancient" even for people of ancient
    India. Sanskrit was a elite language to be preserved for tradion and
    rituals. It was never spoken and was always there from antiquity, while
    Prakrit and it's children was the common tongue that everybody spoke.
    1. Also, I am looking for a language with beautiful sounding, >internacionality and easyness in learning (the grammar and such, I know
    I always have to commit to memory new words...).
    If you ask me, a native Odia speaker, I cannot be objectively impartial
    in claiming the Odia is the more beautiful sounding language of two.
    The phonetics is simple and straightforward. In fact, you can read any
    Odia text dating back to 1000 years with just one hour of introduction.
    The grammar is also straightforward. As with any other language,
    understanding words and learning context is always something you have to
    get used to.
    If you decide to learn Odia, one thing I want to point out is that,
    the Odia language is unfortunately dying. A lot of foreign words are
    replacing Odia words and are getting standardized. Odia people and
    culture doesn't have a sphere of influence neither in India or the
    world, hence less and less people know about it. So there is a real
    danger of Odia fading away. Currently, it's just us a few "grumpy old
    men" who cling to the correct traditional Odia in the melting pot of
    Indian languages, which is slowly but surely merging into one language.
    Maybe they will call it Prakrit again :)
    [1]: I haven't done a lot of research on languages and I maybe wrong on
    some of the facts. This is the history that I know.
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  • From keyboardan@keyboardan@tilde.club to tilde.club on Fri Jan 3 17:39:52 2025
    Annada Behera <annada@tilde.green> writes:

    And I want to learn, but still haven't got proficient with:
    - Esperanto
    - Sanskrit

    Ah, Sanskrit. It is sister language and very close to my native
    tongue: Odia (or Oriya) which is as old as (if not older) than
    Sanskrit itself. A lot of words are similar and very much
    inter-understandable.

    I also speak English and wish to learn Russian (and Cyrillic
    alphabets).

    That is awesome Annada :-) Odia....

    0. Do you know which is the older language, from that region, that I
    can learn today?

    Sanskrit is the older among the two, but the entire thing is a more
    nuianced. Here is why[1]:

    In ancient India there were two languages: (a) Sanskrit and (b) Prakrit.
    All the Hindu texts (including Vedas, Epics, Upanisads) were in Sanskrit language. Sanskrit was mostly passed down orally among the Brahmans (the priest class of the Indian caste system.) The discrimination due to
    Indian caste system forbid any non-Brahmans from enunciating Sanskrit.
    And Brahmans being the upper caste, they will beat you up if you learn
    and speak Sanskrit, back in those days (about 1000 BC).

    So, Prakrit was the language of the common man that was spoken in
    ancient India: (a) Maghadha Kingdom in the North where Maghadha-Prakrit
    was spoken, (b) Kalinga Kingdom in the East where Odra-Prakrit (ancestor
    of Odia) was spoken.

    Maghadha-Prakrit doesn't exist anymore. It got fragmented into many
    Indian languages, which fragmented even more until we reach modern
    languages like Hindi. Odia evolving from Odra-Prakrit is the oldest fork
    from Prakrit language. This is one of the reason why Sanskrit is also
    written in Odia script, apart from more common Devanagari script.

    Sanskrit was a language that was "ancient" even for people of ancient
    India. Sanskrit was a elite language to be preserved for tradion and
    rituals. It was never spoken and was always there from antiquity, while Prakrit and it's children was the common tongue that everybody spoke.

    1. Also, I am looking for a language with beautiful sounding, >>internacionality and easyness in learning (the grammar and such, I know
    I always have to commit to memory new words...).

    If you ask me, a native Odia speaker, I cannot be objectively impartial
    in claiming the Odia is the more beautiful sounding language of two.
    The phonetics is simple and straightforward. In fact, you can read any
    Odia text dating back to 1000 years with just one hour of introduction.
    The grammar is also straightforward. As with any other language, understanding words and learning context is always something you have to
    get used to.

    If you decide to learn Odia, one thing I want to point out is that,
    the Odia language is unfortunately dying. A lot of foreign words are replacing Odia words and are getting standardized. Odia people and
    culture doesn't have a sphere of influence neither in India or the
    world, hence less and less people know about it. So there is a real
    danger of Odia fading away. Currently, it's just us a few "grumpy old
    men" who cling to the correct traditional Odia in the melting pot of
    Indian languages, which is slowly but surely merging into one language.
    Maybe they will call it Prakrit again :)

    [1]: I haven't done a lot of research on languages and I maybe wrong on
    some of the facts. This is the history that I know.

    THANK YOU!! :-)))
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  • From xwindows@xwindows@tilde.club to tilde.club on Sat Jan 4 12:24:09 2025
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024, keyboardan wrote:

    I am curious to know what different languages we know how to speak in
    this community.

    And if you have a language that you are wishing to learn, but still
    haven't quite got the time to get into it.

    The languages I know:

    - Thai (native)
    - English (proficient read/write, not-so-fluent listen/speak)

    The language I want to know:

    - Japanese

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  • From lafe@lafe@tilde.club to tilde.club on Sat Jan 4 07:02:39 2025
    On 2024-12-30, keyboardan <keyboardan@tilde.club> wrote:
    I am curious to know what different languages we know how to speak in
    this community.

    I know English, and I am learning Spanish. I started learning it during
    covid isolation, and I've really enjoyed it. I wouldn't say I'm fluent
    yet, but I'm able to converse... sort of.
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